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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] External vs Internal Stiffners



As an ex machinist I can warn you about titanium, this stuff is not fun to machine or weld. It melts normal drill bits and work hardens easily. Making a sub from it would be a nightmare! You would have much better luck using stainless steel which is also not fun to cut but can be done in the home shop with standard HSS tooling with some patience.
 
I can't see what you would gain from using aluminum as it corrodes with salt water and doesn't weigh enough to be practical. A lightweight sub will just bob up and down in the water like a cork.


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cox
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:36 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] External vs Internal Stiffners

Doug,
           I found this one, but his question was never really answerd:
    It appears most subs have internal stiffening T beams, but I see a
number of references to external ones as well.   External beams certainly
have their appeal from the standpoint of internal space (and even some
ease of construction).  BUT, what do you do after putting on external
stiffeners?   How do you restore the hydrodynamic body shape to escape the
drag of exposed beams?  Putting on a second thin hull (perhaps with
internal ballast tanks, etc.) seems like the inevitable thing to do, but
then how would you maintain/rust proof the inner hull?
    Along those lines, is there any advice on how to treat the hull?  A
special type of paint?  Anybody up to hot-dip galvanizing a whole sub? :-)


     Materials.  Steel is cheap and easily worked, but what about aluminum
and titanium?   Aluminum would sacrafice some strength, but for a person
with money titanium seems like the gold standard for submarine material.
Besides the strength of titanium, it's almost complete invulnerability to
corrosion makes it a very appealing material.   Anybody know what
titanium costs in bulk and if it's unreasonably hard to work?  (The last
time I saw a price on titanium it was about $30 a pound, but that was for
wire, not plate/beam.)
 
Brian


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 22:19
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] External vs Internal Stiffners

I remember a thread about External Vs Internal Stiffeners but I can't find it in the archive.  Can someone please point me to the date or title of that thread?   Thanks --Doug J