From: "Brian Cox" <ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sitting High
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:00:24 -0700
Joey,
Your question: " Why don't you just store it at a harbor or
somewhere?" In a perfect world that would be the ideal thing to do,
but where I live, California, you have all these restrictions
everywhere you go. If asked the slip rental people if I could keep my
50' submarine in their facility I'm sure they are going to find all
kinds of reasons why I can't do it. .....Like our lawyer says we can't
let you because our insurance doesn't cover submarines etc..
Another thing that may be a concern, and if anyone has any knowledge
on this I would be interested to know, is in a strong storm would it be
possible that a very large sub could tear a dock apart very easily? If
it was in a well protected harbor maybe there would be no problem but
this is something I have no knowledge about.
The sub would be able to stay in the water for extented periods of
time without any detrimental effects on the hull, aside from general
cleaning.
Brian Cox
----- Original Message -----
From: Joey C.
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 21:28
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sitting High
Pardon the amateur question.
If it was a dry sub, would you have to raise it every time you dived
just to get in? If so, wouldn't it be just as practical to have it
stored somewhere else?
My sub will have a rig attached to it so it would take a simple cable
to pull it onto a trailer and off you go. all of this, of course,
because mine is going to be a fairly small contraption, compared to some
of the sea faring monsters I've seen on this site! :-O
I guess a lot of it has to do with diving frequencies ? If its just
one weekend out of the year for a day or two, I assume it would be
cheaper just to rent a rig and trailer, and tow it out for the weekend,
versus paying a high dock fee or having to leave it laying shivers on
the bottom of the sea for so long.
Also, I wouldn't park it on the bottom simply because I wouldn't want
my ship being exposed for that long. don't know of any problems, but
certainly don't want to take chances. And there are a lot of crooks out
there, who are willing to screw up your operation, or just simply flat
out raise your boat and 'salvage' it to their warehouse for free
parts,etc.
Once again, sorry about the amateur nature of my posting..
-Joey
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cox
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:59 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sitting High
Jay,
Note I said "in a safe area". I'm thinking off of the
Summerland area. It's true we do get some bad storms in the Winter
time but with a cylindrical shape resting on the bottom I would think
the worst that could happen would be it could become partially buried.
Would you be willing to entertain that idea without accepting it?
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay K. Jeffries
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 18:51
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sitting High
Brian,
Before mooring your boat on the bottom as you suggest, you aught to
check how quickly things are destroyed on the bottom by the powerful
storms you have on the West Coast. I have seen several relatively new
wrecks in very good condition decimated off of the coasts of San Diego
and Santa Barbara in 75 to 100 fsw.
R/Jay
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it.
- Aristotle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cox
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:29 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sitting High
Exactly, this is a serious delema. I was just down at our local
Harbor, Ventura CA, and was inquireing about a few things, namely cost
of boat yard space...$3.00/ ft / day !!! also the overhead crawling
crane capacity...165 tons Trying to calculate the weight of a 50'
concrete sub 8' dia . does anyone know the capacity of those semi
trailers?
Once is is in the water it could be kept on the bottom off shore in
a safe area.
Brian