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Upward Buoyant Pressures on Ambient Interior Surfaces Grand Greetings SMMOM's ;)' I've been pondering this question for some time now, when I was designing a couple if different ambient subs in my head. Doug, I believe brings up some good points below about the higher PSI inside the ambient subs being a little higher. He also made a point recently about the PSI being a little higher from the constant flow of air, coming into the cabin for breathing. I was thinking that there is one more thing item we need to consider. That being that air is really buoyant, as we all know. So one of the main reasons that 1 ATM subs are so heavy, is that they need to counter act the buoyant forces that the air in the interior is exerting upwards. So that means to me that all the air in the ambient subs cabin is mostly pushing upward on any surface that's there. This is why I was thinking that a hatch and/or any windows and frame work can handle that amount of buoyant pressure that is trying to lift the sub, and will do so, if you release a drop weight. For some large ambient cabin spaces, I would think that pressure might be substantial. Any thought? I wouldn't be surprised if I missed some thing. Your resident bubble dweller ;)' Regards, Szybowski To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] depth indicator Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:55:57 -0400 From: djackson99@aol.com I think the correct answer is "almost" no difference.
Take a 4 ft pipe. Cap one end and anchor the open end to the bottom of a lake so that the cap is just below the surface. Now fill the pipe completely with air. At the open end of the pipe the air pressure is equal to the water pressure and a depth indicator will read the same if it is inside or outside the pipe. But at the top of the pipe the water pressure outside the pipe is zero and the air pressure inside the pipe still indicates the pressure for 4ft of water. So my dive computer outside the view port will indicate the depth of the view port, and inside it would indicate an additional 3+ feet, to were I release air into the surrounding water. Best of Luck
Doug www.submarineboat.com From: Jay K. Jeffries <bottomgun@mindspring.com> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 5:01 am Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] depth indicator In ambient sub senses the same pressure inside or out so there is no difference having the gage inside or out.
R/Jay
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of djackson99@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:08 AM To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] depth indicator Hmmmm... Not the weight of the sub. It should indicate the depth of the vent where the air is released into the surrounding water and likely a little deeper since the constant flow of air may add a few psi to the ambient cabin. Air at the top of the cabin is at the same pressure as the air at the bottom of the cabin where it is vented to the surrounding water. So it does not matter where the gauge is inside the cabin.
That also makes the air at the top of the cabin at a pressure higher than the water surrounding the top of the cabin. So a hatch in the top of an ambient sub seals naturally if it opens inward. Completely opposite to a 1ATM sub. In my case the dive computer is going to ride along outside the forward view port. There is no room for it inside and with it outside it will automatically start logging the dive when it submerges. So what are you thinking of building? Doug J www.submarineboat.com -----Original Message-----
From: David Bartsch <dbartsch2236@hotmail.com> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:11 pm Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] depth indicator In an ambient submarine, if one uses a dive watch type depth indicators to give an indication of how deep He is, does this display the actual depth or will it be off a little having the additional weight of the sub working on it? One of those HMMMM thoughts...
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