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Re: Submarine Movie? or TV?
Gary,
Two things about recovering in a current with lots of silt (and you know them both
I am sure). The first is that the current will help flush out the silt from the
area being dredged so if you had any visability beforehand it will come back in
short order. The second is that the hole will fill up fast (days or weeks) after
you dredge so it can't be a slow project once you get started. The navy attempted
to lift a flying boat (PBY or PBM or something like that) out of lake Washington a
few years back. It was a training project. The silt filled back in almost
entirely in about a month, and they had dredged about 10 or 12 feet! Like your
subs the plane was just off the mouth of a river, and this one was clean except
for spring runoff! I dove on the plane before the boggled attempt (they ended up
breaking the tail off when the lift took place) but only heard from others on the
condition afterwards. It was a shame too as the plane was not crashed, just sunk
slowly after a wingtip pontoon hit a piling and the crew had no way to stop it (it
was probably still flyable with some engine work and new instruments). It ended
up on its' back in about 60 feet (was 70-75 feet when it sank but it has filled
in). The navy confiscated the machine guns when divers started diving on it about
20 years ago or so and brought up the first "booty". Anyway, I hope you do bring
up one of those subs, I wish I could help.
Dick
protek@shreve.net wrote:
> Dick,
> I may need to make a correction. The Hunley may have been built in
> Alabama not Louisiana. However, there were four or five being built. The
> Hunley was the only one that was actually taken into battle. It killed
> three (3) crews! I hope most Psubbers have better luck getting started.
> The Red River is a dirty river actually, very dirty. You could not see
> your hands in front of your face. Plus there is a current. I would
> imagine that they are covered in silt. But, this could be good for a
> recovery project. Because little oxygen may have gotton to the hull. I
> just don't know. We will use magnetometers. I have a boat and motor and
> also a remotely piloted 8-foot surface craft that I can place a mag on.
> There was an article a while back in the Shreveport Times about the subs.
> There is also a tin clad gunboat in the area. Nobody knows just where the
> subs sank but think they are near the mouth of the Red.
> Oh, I am not one of those that thinks things should remain burried.
> Especially if nobody is in them. I think they should be raised and at
> least one placed as an exibit here in Shreveport.
>
> Gary Boucher
>
> At 04:46 PM 7/2/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Gary,
> >Not being from the area, I don't know anything about the Red river. Are you
> >not in favor of raising the other subs or are the conditions very bad,
> i.e. viz
> >low, current high, bottom covered with deep muck, unknown obstacles all over,
> >or all the above? I've done zero viz diving and I know it's not fun but 3
> old
> >subs would be quite a treasure to bring up. Is the location pinpointed?
> Maybe
> >Al could bring down his magnetometer when it's done to help find it? I
> know, I
> >shouldn't be volunteering other people or their stuff, sorry Al. More
> details,
> >please Gary.
> >Dick Morrisson
> >
> >protek@shreve.net wrote:
> >
> >> Psubbers,
> >> In regard to the Hunley, a confederate submarine that sunk a Union
> >> warship and was lost in the effort, few people know that it was not the
> >> only confederate submarine constructed. Four subs were built in
> >> Shreveport, Louisiana at a confederate shipyard located at the mouth of
> >> Cross Bayou where it flows into the Red River. Interestingly enough they
> >> are still there. When the yankees were approaching this shipyard they sunk
> >> them all in, or around, the mouth of the bayou to keep them from being used
> >> by the Union navy. I did not know this until about 2 months ago when I was
> >> asked if I would be interested in an effort to raise them. Another irony
> >> here is the fact that my sub, The Vindicator, is stored in my airplane
> >> hangar located about a mile from the sinking site. And NO, I do not plan
> >> to put my sub in the Red River!!!
> >>
> >> Gary Boucher
> >
> >