Re: Important Message - Please Read

[Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@eng.Sun.COM>]

Hi,

I concur with Jonathan's mail and stand corrected on the issue of
people having been removed in the past. This forum is to discuss
Psubs. This is my last message on the topic as everyone has had 
plenty of warning by now.

Regards,
Ray

> 
> To all participants,
> 
> Ray Keefer and I recently held a phone discussion regarding
> the intent and use of PSUBS.ORG.
> 
> We both agree that it is important to maintain
> personal_submersibles as a discussion forum about the theory,
> construction, and use of manned/unmanned submersibles.  More
> importantly, we believe the majority of current participants
> share this view as well.
> 
> We realize however, that enforcing a "psubs-only" rule can
> be frustrating when a participant wishes to express an
> opinion regarding issues surrounding PSUBS.ORG.  For this
> reason, we are opening a new discussion forum at
> ISSUES@PSUBS.ORG that can be used to discuss non-psub related
> issues including the administration of PSUBS.ORG.  This new
> mailing list will allow us to keep personal_submersibles on
> topic yet still provide a forum for non-psub related
> discussions.
> 
> It is not our intent to censor discourse, however it is a
> fact that every time the personal_submersibles mailing list
> goes off topic (regardless of where the topic ends up) a
> handful of people unsubscribe from the mailing list.  By
> providing an alternative discussion group where non-psub
> discussions can take place, we hope to meet the needs of
> those participants who seek a forum to express non-psub
> related issues or comments.
> 
> Participants should feel free to gently redirect non-psub
> related discussions to the ISSUES mailing list when they
> develop.  If necessary, send mail to listmstr@psubs.org
> 
> Effective immediately, issues related to PSUB mailing
> list or web site administration should be sent to
> ISSUES@PSUBS.ORG and discussed in that forum.  Also,
> participants who enter topics that are clearly non-psub
> related such as how cute your sister looks in a bikini or
> the biogenetics descended through your family history will
> no longer be provided bandwidth through PSBUS.  At the
> risk of being promoted to the rank of 8-star Admiral
> on the good ship PSUBS, please note that further attempts
> to continue such discussions on the personal_submersibles
> mailing list will result in your removal from the list
> without notification.
> 
> Any issue regarding THIS notification will happily be
> discussed in the ISSUES forum.
> 
> To subscribe to issues@psubs.org, send an email message
> to majordomo@psubs.org with the word "subscribe" in the
> body of your message.
> 
> Additionally, clarification of certain issues are in
> order since mixed messages have been sent to a number
> of people.
> 
> Ray was incorrect in a recent message in which he asserted
> that no participants had been removed from the
> personal_submersibles mailing list.  In fact, more than one
> person has been removed from the mailing list for continuing
> discussion and/or inciteful comments in reference to
> cover-ups, lying, or conspiracies related to this mailing
> list.  As you will recall, I had notified the list that the
> subject would no longer be tolerated and attempts to do so
> would result in termination from the list.  Removal of these
> participants were done at my discretion and Ray was unaware
> of this action when he wrote his latest message.
> 
> Lastly, my previous message has been described as "strongly
> worded" and likened to an Admiral on deck bellowing out
> orders.  I'm sure that some will interpret this current
> message in the same way.  However, it is not my intent to
> "talk down" to anyone on this list.  My messages as
> "administrator" are not authored with any thought that I'm
> better than you, or that "I'm the administrator and
> I say so", or "It's my way or no way".  My messages are
> strongly worded because I don't have the time, energy or
> desire to monitor your conversations and send you a personal
> message warning you about the consequences of continuing a
> certain action.  If my messages were not assertive and to
> the point, you can be certain that when it came time to
> act on a participant they would be sure to cry that they
> didn't understand what was expected of them or that my
> message wasn't clear enough.