[PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification

[hank pronk]

I can not see a real benefit to having a certification for  average home built sub.  On the other hand we should stay as close to or right on the guidelines set by the certification process.  When I took Gamma apart I was amazed at how unremarkable things are.  Maybe the guidelines are more advanced since 1993 but it is not out of this world to build to ABS specs.  Because I have all the drawings and documentation it would be nice to certify Gamma again but my windows do not conform to todays standards.  We as average Home  sub builders should keep our projects as unremarkable and simple as possible to keep them safe.  Remember, test, test, and test again.  Then when your completely happy with it, test it again.
Hank



On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:21:29 AM, Alan <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
  
Thanks everyone for those figures on classification costs.
The patent topic stemmed from a joke of Jon's, however
I still feel that if someone patented an idea that came out of a
public forum, that that patent could be challenged on the grounds of  prior
art work.
Prior art (also known as state of the art, which also has other meanings, or background art[1]), in most systems of patent law,[2] constitutes all information that has been made available to the public in any form before a given date that might be relevant to a patent's claims of originality. If an invention has been described in the prior art, a patent on that invention is not valid.
Also http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2128.html
Electronic media & prior art.
    Back to the Classification; Phil gave a good summary of what is required in the form of 
documentation to be supplied to the classification agency after going in to contract with them
& prior to the build.  It is outlined in section 2E in the GL classification guide lines.
It is HUGE & includes documentation & drawings for the whole system, a manual for maintain acne & operation etc etc.
Alan
Sent from my iPad

On 20/11/2013, at 3:52 PM, "Phil Nuytten" <phil at philnuytten.com> wrote:


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Alan 
RE: cost of sub certification - If you do all the test documentation, plan 
approval docs, FEA’s, Von Mises, construction drawings, electronic schematics, 
piping diagrams and sub-system drawings, yourself – figure about $50,000. Phil 
BTW, putting a patentable idea out in the ‘public 
domain’ most certainly doesn’t safeguard against anyone copying it – in fact, it 
may well be the exact opposite! ‘Public Disclosure’ may well prohibit the 
ability to engage the patent  process, period. (Not trying to chuck cold 
water, but check the US patent act and that’s what you’ll find . . . if you 
intend to disclose prior to patenting, then at least apply for a ‘Provisional 
Patent’ – dirt  cheap, and protects you for 12 months or so ) 
From: Alan James  
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:04 PM 
To: Personal Submersibles General 
Discussion  
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible 
Classification 
 Hi Jon, 
someone 
may have more knowledge on this but I think that 
because 
you have put your idea out in the public domain 
it 
may be regarded as "prior art work" safe guarding you against 
anybody 
patenting your idea. 
Can 
anybody have a guess at what classification for a boat similar 
to 
a K350 would cost in fees to an agency, aside from all the additional 
costs 
in getting together all the documentation etc. 
Alan 


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 From: Jon 
Wallace <jonw at psubs.org>
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Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:22 
AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 
G.L. Submersible Classification
 



And nobody better steal 
my idea until I patent it.


On 11/26/2013 2:26 PM, MerlinSub at t-online.de wrote:
  

I am pretty sure a electric driven MBT valve based on a 
handheld drilling machine motor will be not accept as equal solution. 

 

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