[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

hank pronk hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca
Wed Apr 9 08:42:52 EDT 2014 

You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and what Scott wants to build.  The two subs are totally different.  I could see building Scott's dream sub for 125K if you have your own  pressure vessel fab shop.  (maybe)  Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that cost.  
I do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can not build a k3000.  As a matter of fact with the proper budget and realistic assessment of your abilities we can all do it.  
Hank
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
Scott, 
Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something, somewhere, your ok.  Join a local tiddlywinks class or something. 

http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional
 
This is not too difficult to use. 
Regards 
James 

  
On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000.  
>Thanks, 
>Scott Waters 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
> 
>hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way.  Not if it is a professional build, and it has to be.  If you do it right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet.   
>Hank 
>On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>Wow! $125K for 2500 − 3000 feet? That's some serious dollar-to-fathom value!  
>
>
>
>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>
>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a reality. 
>>Thanks, 
>>Scott Waters 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
>>
>>He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>>
>>On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests (and perform them).  
>>>
>>> 
>>>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~ Douglas S.   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure?  
>>>>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off of?  
>>>>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator arms and things. 
>>>>Thanks, 
>>>>Scott Waters 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>>> 
>>>>Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest research). 
>>>>Vance
>>>>
>>>>Sent from my iPhone 
>>>>
>>>>On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi capability? 
>>>>>Thanks, 
>>>>>Scott Waters 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>>>>Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott, 
>>>>>in general people design their boats with a crush depth of 
>>>>>twice their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 x 
>>>>>there proposed maximum operating depth.  
>>>>>So design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters. 
>>>>>Alan 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
>>>>>To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM
>>>>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I am thinking. 
>>>>>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine 
>>>>>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs to be improved on in design and ability. 
>>>>>3) Learn to use CAD  
>>>>>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>My initial goals are 
>>>>>1) Hold 3 people 
>>>>>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less 
>>>>>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m) 
>>>>>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator arm and tooling 
>>>>>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to overcome? What complications am I not considering? 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Thanks, 
>>>>>Scott Waters 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>>>>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>>>>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>>>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> 
>>_______________________________________________
>>>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>> 
>>_______________________________________________
>>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>> 
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>
>
> 
>_______________________________________________
>Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>
>


_______________________________________________
Personal_Submersibles mailing list
Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20140409/7edde95b/attachment-0001.html>

More information about the Personal_Submersibles mailing list