[PSUBS-MAILIST] concrete

Jim Rudholm jimrudholm at gmail.com
Mon Apr 14 10:21:57 EDT 2014


Plenty of photos at:
concretesubmarine.com


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com>wrote:

> Fascinating. I think that counts as water pollution in Europe...
>
> Marc
>
> On 4/14/2014 6:52 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>
>> Marc,
>>
>> Strictly from my foggy memory, but I believe it was scuttled.
>>
>> Joe
>>
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>> *From: * Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com>;
>> *To: * <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>;
>> *Subject: * Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] concrete
>> *Sent: * Mon, Apr 14, 2014 3:30:48 AM
>>
>> Really - it sank? Mind you, it did have walls 6 inches thick and very
>> little freeboard. Any lives lost?
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On 4/13/2014 10:35 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>>  > It seems to me that with reduced cost materials there is a tendency to
>>  > go big and unwieldy.
>>  > Wasn't that the case with that one fellows concrete sub yacht? It's on
>>  > the bottom of a lake somewhere if I recall.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Joe
>>  >
>>  > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS
>> >
>>
>>  >
>>  >
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>>  > *From: * Sean T. Stevenson <cast55 at telus.net <javascript:return>>;
>>  > *To: * Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>  > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:return>>;
>>  > *Subject: * Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] concrete
>>  > *Sent: * Sun, Apr 13, 2014 6:16:35 AM
>>  >
>>  > I ran that same 6' diameter 4" shell, but using an ultra
>> high-performace
>>  > concrete with no aggregate, but with steel fiber reinforcement.
>>  Working
>>  > pressure came out to more than 1700 m.  That said, while the
>> compressive
>>  > strength of this stuff is 160 MPa, the tensile is only 8 MPa, so you
>>  > absolutely have to avoid putting this stuff in tension.  Sphere may not
>>  > be an issue, but a cylindrical hull would probably require some sort of
>>  > pretensioned reinforcement.  Results:
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 2014-04-12 21:52, Marc de Piolenc wrote:
>>  >> I had forgotten about the lubricant/plasticizer properties of fly ash.
>>  >>
>>  >> Marc
>>  >>
>>  >> On 4/13/2014 10:55 AM, hank pronk wrote:
>>  >>> Marc,
>>  >>> We don't get segregation at all, when pumping it we fill the wall and
>>  >>> then let it flow, I call it "ride the wave"
>>  >>> Also pumping the concrete helps hold the concrete together, it stays
>>  >>> in a cylinder shape until it hits the wave. We must use fly ash
>>  >>> because the aggregate and sand is washed so well there are no fines
>>  >>> left.  The jagged sand won't flow through the hose.  Fly ash is like
>>  >>> little ball bearings and makes it flow through the hose.  These are
>>  >>> the things that make me think a mold  is the way to go.  Four inches
>>  >>> wall thickness would be a breeze for this mix.
>>  >>> That makes sense that the rock is a cheap filler.  I would still use
>>  >>> the pea gravel mix, I have made a test panel and I drove my bob-cat
>>  >>> over a 2in thick 4by4 panel with no breakage.  I know, very
>>  >>> scientific .lol
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Hank
>>  >>> --------------------------------------------
>>  >>> On Sat, 4/12/14, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com
>> <javascript:return>> wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] concrete
>>  >>>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:return>
>>  >>>  Received: Saturday, April 12, 2014, 10:40 PM
>>  >>>
>>  >>>  Actually, all else being equal, using
>>  >>>  only fine aggregate (sand) will give a stronger mix. Coarse
>>  >>>  aggregate is needed mainly to make the mix affordable - as
>>  >>>  bulk filler, in other words - and also for decorative effect
>>  >>>  in some applications where the fresh concrete is brushed to
>>  >>>  show off the aggregate.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>  You have to be careful, in very high-strength applications,
>>  >>>  to make sure that the coarse aggregate is chemically inert
>>  >>>  with respect to the cement matrix. Some siliceous aggregate
>>  >>>  will weaken the concrete in the long term by reacting slowly
>>  >>>  with the matrix long after cure.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>  Confusingly, very fine silica incorporated in the form of
>>  >>>  fly ash, rice husk ash or silica fume can give a
>>  >>>  super-HIGH-strength mix. The reason for the effect is that
>>  >>>  the very fine silica reacts with the alkali formed DURING
>>  >>>  cure and actually strengthens the cement matrix.
>>  >>>  Unfortunately, much of the fly-ash and volcanic ash cement
>>  >>>  on the market is too coarsely ground to harness this
>>  >>>  effect.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>  Best,
>>  >>>  Marc de Piolenc
>>  >>>  Ferrocement freak
>>
>>  >
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