[PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco visit

hank pronk hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca
Thu Feb 6 08:32:06 EST 2014 

Jim,
I was not planning any internal sensing, a camera running might be fun.  The drive to Vancouver is 10hr on good roads, so not bad.  Slocan on good roads is around 6 hr maybe less, but I will have a 6,000 lb load with the barge and the second load will be a bit less with the sub etc. 



On , hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  
Alan,
The rope to a valve to a hp tank was my system in the past.  You need good weather for that, no wind or you get tangled up.  Alec's system will be perfect and it has a water detection system also.  I was thinking of robbing a engine shut down solenoid off one of my machines and have it open a ball valve when the timer tells it to or if that fails when the battery is dead.  The solenoid is continuous  duty and closes when the power is off.   
Hank



On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:13:01 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
  
In the North Sea, it was cold down there, but the air temps were often colder. 
Vance



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Come to think of it, it's already going to be cold before it 
ever goes into the water.  The temp sitting on the barge isn't likely to be 
much different than it is at 1000 feet deep.  Summertime is a different 
story.  The only other things I can think of that would increase pressure 
would be a water leak, an internal air system leak, or the slight compression of 
the hull. 
Jim 

In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:32:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, vbra676539 at aol.com writes: 
Let me think. Post testing results: Internal  pressure--as set. Internal temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in  February. Hmm. Best estimate, cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!. 
>Vance
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  Feb 5, 2014 11:58 pm
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>Hey Hank, 
>  
>Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver  and call on Dr. Phil.  That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer  there.  Is Slocan Lake about six hours drive for you? 
>  
>Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea  bag test such as internal temp and presure? 
>  
>Jim 
>
>In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com writes: 
>Hi Hank, 
>>It's  Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He  might 
>>comment  when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used  to 
>>open  an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a  handle 
>>on  the air line. 
>>You  would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface. 
>>Another  thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have  an  
>>electronic  water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there  was  
>>a  substantial leak. 
>>Alan 
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>>________________________________
>> From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>To: Personal Submersibles General  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February  6, 2014 4:45 PM
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>>Alec, 
>>Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need.  It is  frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on  a line.  I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your  time. 
>>Hank 
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>>On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:34:00  PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>Hank, 
>>I'm  jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done. 
>>I have a  few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system; 
>>If you had  solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it   would 
>>be very  easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a  problem 
>>adding in  retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door  openers  
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943
>> 
>>& fit  them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy  enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap  electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.  
>>http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/SINOTIMER-wholesale-Digital-Programmable-12V-DC-Timer-Switch-Control-Free-Shipping/108414_628368568.html
>> 
>>& wire it  up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you  couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one. 
>>I take no  responsibility if Gamma is lost. 
>>Regards  Alan 
>>
>> 
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>>Sent: Thursday,  February 6, 2014 3:06 PM
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>>While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to  drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten  and see all the wonderful  subs.  Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the  morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well.  I had a great  time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do  things.   
>>Thank you Dr Nuytten. 
>>
>> 
>>I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970  feet in a week or so.  I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and  retrieve it 1hr later.  I would like a back up, some way for a timer to  tell Gamma it is time to come home.  Any ideas would help, I have never  tried putting a backup together. 
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