[PSUBS-MAILIST] Commercial question

Thu May 15 19:38:53 EDT 2014

Scott,
>>>> Iam going to figure out how I can make a Canada trip and visit you and write it off as a business expense :)

   Buy some submarine parts off Phil & sell them at a loss to psubbers via an internet sales arm of your
business.
Alan

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 From: swaters via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 11:06 AM
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Phil,
That really clears it up alot. I know business has been good for you based on how busy you have been. That is awesome. I know all of us business owners strive to remain relevant and it seems you have done well. I face the struggle every day in a shrinking market place due to the big box stores. We have seemed to carve out our niche and have really started to grow alot, but it is a deffenet fight tooth and nail. I buy alot of inventory from a company in Calgary and they have been wanting me to visit there factory for years. Iam going to figure out how I can make a Canada trip and visit you and write it off as a business expense :)
Thank you,
Scott Waters

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Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Hi, Scott,
The major reason that quite a few operators prefer subs over ROV’s is the 
absence of a surface  tether. This allows you to go places that you 
shouldn’t and wouldn’t go with a machine because the risk of entanglement – 
inside platform legs, pile jackets, etc., There are a number of other reasons 
that have to do with the operators senses being right on the site rather than a 
half a mile away. Difficult to explain is the ‘whole grasp’ scenario that ROV 
operators who try manned subs almost always mention. Simply put, in a sub with a 
wide view port or a 360 degree dome,  you have a strong sense of where 
everything is – how long ago you passed that pipeline, what direction it’s in to 
go back to, the lay of the bottom,  the trending of the currents, where to 
find lees to hide in, how to avoid ‘box canyon’ current pins, the ability to hit 
‘auto altitude’ and fly a fixed height above a pipeline or cable regardless of 
the bottom (and therefore the cable’s) undulations. When it comes to doing 
complex work using manips, there’s no contest man versus machines. Machines do 
get the work done if they are set up properly, but much slower and with many 
tries, compared to the pilot whose hand on the joystick is five feet away from 
the work .
You often hear ROV types say ‘well, it’s just the same as being there”. . 
.  Yeah, right! just like telephone sex is the same as the real 
thing!
I’ll get off my soapbox now.
Phil

From: swaters via 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:43 PM
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Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Commercial question

I have always heard that ROV's are cheaper to operate, less risky, and 
cheaper to buy. I was curious what is the advantages of submarines in the 
commercial world such as the oil industry? It seems like Phil Nuyten has been 
able to be sucsessful with submarines. Just a curiousity of mine.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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