[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 16, Issue 36

roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sun Oct 26 22:40:47 EDT 2014


need i buy the plans to have a bill of materials for the k 350? i need know
the material list to quote, some one have it' ?

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> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 08:15:18 -0700
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Graham,
> A jet ski jet is gigantic for a psub.  Jet ski's have 50hp and more, the
> one I have is from a 750 cc two stroke engine.  Mine has a 3 inch nozzle at
> least maybe more.  Jets are very bad for maneuvering, they have no grip in
> the water like a prop.  Yes fast ferries use them but they are owned by
> governments, check the fuel tank size lol.  I would do some reading about
> jet viruses props.  Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, and it is a fun
> idea, I just don't think it will do what you imagine it will.  I hope I am
> wrong.
> Hank --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/26/14, Graham Bayliss via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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>  Received: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 11:06 AM
>
>
>  Hi Hank
>
>
>  I agree a jet drive is the
>  way to go did you not think that a jet ski drive
>  was to small and would only drive a small
>  craft. I intend to build a larger
>  jet drive
>  and compress the water. This will be easy and add power to
>  the
>  system the jet drive from a jet ski
>  would not drive a sub but I am certain I
>  can
>  overcome the problems by building a larger jet drive and a
>  compressor.
>  Thank you for your input and I
>  will keep you informed as the project un
>  folds.
>
>  Graham
>
>
>  -----Original
>  Message-----
>  From: Personal_Submersibles
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>  On Behalf Of hank pronk via
>  Personal_Submersibles
>  Sent: 26 October 2014
>  12:42
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no
>  subject)
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>
>  Graham,
>  In the world of marine
>  jet drive it is well known that jet drive takes two
>  times the horse power to do the same job.? Jet
>  drive is well suited to a
>  craft that needs a
>  shallow draft.? I think you will find it very
>  complicated
>  to control and it will be very
>  inefficient. I have been down this road, I
>  love the concept but abandoned it.? If you go
>  forward may I suggest you
>  start with a jet
>  drive.? It is not a simple part to replicate.? The
>  impeller
>  tolerances are critical.? I have a
>  jet unit on the shelf I could donate to
>  your
>  project.? The jet is from a jet ski. I would consider a
>  single rear
>  motor on a full gimbal.
>  Hank
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Sun, 10/26/14, Graham Bayliss via
>  Personal_Submersibles
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>  wrote:
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>  ?Hi? ?I am near the end of my build? of my k350 and
>  have
>  started to look at new designs I am?
>  interested in building a flyer sub and
>  have
>  come up with a? design which will include a vectored motor
>  drive this
>  will? enable my flyer to hover
>  and stop where ever I want. I have? designed
>  a motor unit which will drive a fan type
>  propeller? as an intake this will
>  force
>  water to the rear of the unit
>   ?where it is
>  compressed ?then it is forced into ducting? which will
>  take?
>  the water to four nozzles on the side
>  of? the craft. The nozzles are able to
>  turn
>  three hundred and? sixty degrees? both side are
>  independent of one
>  another so? rolls will
>  be achievable. The reason for a vectored motor is
>  you only need one motor source and one power
>  pack this will? ease the
>  maintenance and
>  increase the enjoyment of using? your sub. I am
>  interested
>  in the clubs thought of this
>  kind? of design. ?Graham
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> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 08:16:37 -0700
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Graham,
> message me at hankpronk at live.ca  I am happy to send you some stuff.
> Hank--------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/26/14, Graham Bayliss via Personal_Submersibles <
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>
>
>  Hi Hank
>
>
>  I agree a jet drive is the
>  way to go did you not think that a jet ski drive
>  was to small and would only drive a small
>  craft. I intend to build a larger
>  jet drive
>  and compress the water. This will be easy and add power to
>  the
>  system the jet drive from a jet ski
>  would not drive a sub but I am certain I
>  can
>  overcome the problems by building a larger jet drive and a
>  compressor.
>  Thank you for your input and I
>  will keep you informed as the project un
>  folds.
>
>  Graham
>
>
>  -----Original
>  Message-----
>  From: Personal_Submersibles
>  [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org]
>  On Behalf Of hank pronk via
>  Personal_Submersibles
>  Sent: 26 October 2014
>  12:42
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no
>  subject)
>
>
>  Graham,
>  In the world of marine
>  jet drive it is well known that jet drive takes two
>  times the horse power to do the same job.? Jet
>  drive is well suited to a
>  craft that needs a
>  shallow draft.? I think you will find it very
>  complicated
>  to control and it will be very
>  inefficient. I have been down this road, I
>  love the concept but abandoned it.? If you go
>  forward may I suggest you
>  start with a jet
>  drive.? It is not a simple part to replicate.? The
>  impeller
>  tolerances are critical.? I have a
>  jet unit on the shelf I could donate to
>  your
>  project.? The jet is from a jet ski. I would consider a
>  single rear
>  motor on a full gimbal.
>  Hank
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Sun, 10/26/14, Graham Bayliss via
>  Personal_Submersibles
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>  ?Hi? ?I am near the end of my build? of my k350 and
>  have
>  started to look at new designs I am?
>  interested in building a flyer sub and
>  have
>  come up with a? design which will include a vectored motor
>  drive this
>  will? enable my flyer to hover
>  and stop where ever I want. I have? designed
>  a motor unit which will drive a fan type
>  propeller? as an intake this will
>  force
>  water to the rear of the unit
>   ?where it is
>  compressed ?then it is forced into ducting? which will
>  take?
>  the water to four nozzles on the side
>  of? the craft. The nozzles are able to
>  turn
>  three hundred and? sixty degrees? both side are
>  independent of one
>  another so? rolls will
>  be achievable. The reason for a vectored motor is
>  you only need one motor source and one power
>  pack this will? ease the
>  maintenance and
>  increase the enjoyment of using? your sub. I am
>  interested
>  in the clubs thought of this
>  kind? of design. ?Graham
>   ?
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> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:16:38 -0000
> From: Graham Bayliss via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water jets
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> Hi Marc de Piolenc
>
> I agree whole heartedly there is nothing inefficient about a water jet just
> point it one way and add power and you will end up going the other way as
> they say a=b= push. I will carry on with this and have a working craft at
> the end to enjoy.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles
> Sent: 26 October 2014 14:11
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> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water jets
>
> There is nothing inherently inefficient about waterjets. There are
> commercial fast ferries using them and getting very good thrust per
> horsepower - better than any supercavitating propeller could do at the same
> speed, certainly.
>
> Lousy design will of course produce poor results, and jets are much less
> amenable to rule-of-thumb construction than open propellers. But whether it
> is "well known" or not, good design will produce good results.
>
> Marc de Piolenc
>
> On 10/26/2014 8:41 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
> >
> > Graham,
> > In the world of marine jet drive it is well known that jet drive takes
> two
> times the horse power to do the same job.  Jet drive is well suited to a
> craft that needs a shallow draft.  I think you will find it very
> complicated
> to control and it will be very inefficient. I have been down this road, I
> love the concept but abandoned it.  If you go forward may I suggest you
> start with a jet drive.  It is not a simple part to replicate.  The
> impeller
> tolerances are critical.  I have a jet unit on the shelf I could donate to
> your project.  The jet is from a jet ski. I would consider a single rear
> motor on a full gimbal.
> > Hank --------------------------------------------
> > On Sun, 10/26/14, Graham Bayliss via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >
> >   Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
> >   To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'"
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >   Received: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 7:39 AM
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> >   #yiv9417249292  Hi   I am near the end of my build
> >   of my k350 and have started to look at new designs I am
> >   interested in building a flyer sub and have come up with a
> >   design which will include a vectored motor drive this will
> >   enable my flyer to hover and stop where ever I want. I have
> >   designed a motor unit which will drive a fan type propeller
> >   as an intake this will force water to the rear of the unit
> >    where it is compressed  then it is forced into ducting
> >   which will take  the water to four nozzles on the side of
> >   the craft. The nozzles are able to turn three hundred and
> >   sixty degrees  both side are independent of one another so
> >   rolls will be achievable. The reason for a vectored motor is
> >   you only need one motor source and one power pack this will
> >   ease the maintenance and increase the enjoyment of using
> >   your sub. I am interested in the clubs thought of this kind
> >   of design.  Graham
> >
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> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:25:40 -0700
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Alec,
> This project will take some time, and some experimenting.  I am using a
> 23cubic inch hyd motor to drive the cart.  I am not sure that will do it,
> so I am building it to take any motor.
> Hank--------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/26/14, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cart last days
>  To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
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>  Received: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 9:07 AM
>
>  What
>  impresses me is that to most of us this would be a six month
>  or year-long project, but I would not be surprised to see
>  pictures in a day or two!
>  Alec
>  On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at
>  6:21 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  wrote:
>  I just
>  pushed my launch cart into the shop for the last time.?
>  Tomorrow it will be reborn.? The cart is getting a new rear
>  axel that steers via hyd cylinder, the front is getting a
>  1/2 ton chev differential with a hydraulic motor to drive
>  it.? The cart then gets two dual chamber pontoons that act
>  as ballast tanks.? On top of one pontoon will be a 6 1/2 hp
>  Honda motor that drives a hyd pump to power and steer the
>  cart,? as well as a 24v alternator to charge my sub
>  batteries.? I will be able to drive the cart with the sub
>  on it down the boat ramp or beach or whatever into the
>  water.? The cart will stay anchored in the water, until I
>  am ready to put the sub on and drive back to my trailer.
>  SWEET
>
>  Hank
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> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:11:26 -0400
> From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles
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> I don't think water jets are necessarily inefficient, but if there is
> considerable piping around of the water before it exits through the jets,
> that's what I was referring to. However, even that was not meant as
> criticism, it is just a normal trade-off. It is surely less efficient than
> a conventional direct-coupled prop, but you also get
> entanglement-resistance and maneuverability.
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> > There is nothing inherently inefficient about waterjets. There are
> > commercial fast ferries using them and getting very good thrust per
> > horsepower - better than any supercavitating propeller could do at the
> same
> > speed, certainly.
> >
> > Lousy design will of course produce poor results, and jets are much less
> > amenable to rule-of-thumb construction than open propellers. But whether
> it
> > is "well known" or not, good design will produce good results.
> >
> > Marc de Piolenc
> >
> > On 10/26/2014 8:41 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Graham,
> >> In the world of marine jet drive it is well known that jet drive takes
> >> two times the horse power to do the same job.  Jet drive is well suited
> to
> >> a craft that needs a shallow draft.  I think you will find it very
> >> complicated to control and it will be very inefficient. I have been down
> >> this road, I love the concept but abandoned it.  If you go forward may I
> >> suggest you start with a jet drive.  It is not a simple part to
> replicate.
> >> The impeller tolerances are critical.  I have a jet unit on the shelf I
> >> could donate to your project.  The jet is from a jet ski. I would
> consider
> >> a single rear motor on a full gimbal.
> >> Hank --------------------------------------------
> >> On Sun, 10/26/14, Graham Bayliss via Personal_Submersibles <
> >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>   Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)
> >>   To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" <
> >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >>   Received: Sunday, October 26, 2014, 7:39 AM
> >>
> >>   #yiv9417249292
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> >>   #yiv9417249292  Hi   I am near the end of my build
> >>   of my k350 and have started to look at new designs I am
> >>   interested in building a flyer sub and have come up with a
> >>   design which will include a vectored motor drive this will
> >>   enable my flyer to hover and stop where ever I want. I have
> >>   designed a motor unit which will drive a fan type propeller
> >>   as an intake this will force water to the rear of the unit
> >>    where it is compressed  then it is forced into ducting
> >>   which will take  the water to four nozzles on the side of
> >>   the craft. The nozzles are able to turn three hundred and
> >>   sixty degrees  both side are independent of one another so
> >>   rolls will be achievable. The reason for a vectored motor is
> >>   you only need one motor source and one power pack this will
> >>   ease the maintenance and increase the enjoyment of using
> >>   your sub. I am interested in the clubs thought of this kind
> >>   of design.  Graham
> >>
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