[PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Thrusters

hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sun Sep 7 16:50:37 EDT 2014


Brian,
Vance would know better than me, but I think if you keep the rpm under 1,000 you can use an o ring for a seal.  I thought Perry did that in the early subs to 1,000 feet.  
Hank--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 9/7/14, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Thrusters
 To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Received: Sunday, September 7, 2014, 4:42 PM
 
 
 Brian,
 You can use a simple
 mechanical seal, that is what the K subs have. An 891
 Chesterton mechanical seal is good fo 600 psi, that is what
 Gamma had when I got it.  You can buy them on ebay for 100
 bucks.  Build the shaft to fit the seal, and your
 sailing.
 Hank--------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 9/7/14, Brian Cox via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Thrusters
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  Received: Sunday, September 7, 2014, 4:29
 PM
  
  I
 
 talked to a hydraulics guy a few days ago about making a
  seal for my motor pod.  I told him I had a
 high pressure
  tank that I wanted to turn a
 shaft inside the tank to stir
  the contents
 at 250 psi,  ( didn't want his eyes to
 
 glaze over if I mentioned submarine !)  Anyway he
 directed
  me to a system using a bronze
 fitting that would tighten
  down these rings
 he called "cheverons"  they are
 
 mating rings of a very high durometer .  the bronze is
 for
  mating with stainless .  I would have
 to machine an
  assembly for this , but once
 I have my shaft size (1 inch
  most likely) I
 will be able to size everything
 
 accordingly. Brian 
  
 
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  From: hank pronk
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  [PSUBS-MAILIST]
 Brushless Thrusters
  Date:
 
 Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:07:20 -0700
  
  Alan
  When I upgraded the
  cartridge seal in Gamma, I needed a pretty
 Beafy thrust
  bearing, it was no problem to
 get.  have since changer to
 
 Magnetic.   I think you could replace the bushing
 in a
  thruster with a ball bearing and never
 look back.  
  Hank       
    
  
        
          
              
        
  
    
                  
      
                    
    
                          
                          
    
                    
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          Hi Hank,the kort
 
 nozzle on the Indonesian thruster looks a bit
  Naff. ( I am designing an art work
  here.)I could get a price for the unit
 without
  kort nozzle, butI'm wondering
 if I could
  build something for 1/2 that
 price.There are some
  reasonably priced
 brushless motors about.I
  don't know
 that I could just retro fit a thrust bearing
  inside the can of the motor.I tried to put
 a
  thrust bearing for reverse inside my
 brushed thrusters,
  butcouldn't find one
 with a thin enough
  section to fit.Also the
 motors are a bit
  expensive to just buy
 & hope you can fit
  one.How did you fit
 the thrust bearing on Gamma?
   Did the
 propellor shaft extend out the backof
  the
 motor?Alan
  
  Sent from my
 iPad
  On 7/09/2014, at 7:22 pm, hank pronk
 via
  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  wrote:
  
 
 Allan
  Dont
  worry about
 thrust bearings to much.  They are aesy to get,
  I bought one for Gamma , real heavy duty for
 80 dollars. 
  Personally I would just use a
 good quality bearing and
  replace it once a
 year for 8 bucks, if it is a small
 
 thruster.   Are you not happy with the 
 Indonesia thrusters?
   Or to pricey?
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    Hi people,
  I've
  spent several hours today looking at brushless
 thrusters
  & wonder if anyone else has
 looked at them or got any
  ideas. There is
 the Indonesian thruster I posted a few weeks
  back at US 2,200. There is also the Haswing
 Protruar 2hp
  that Emile has; however they
 state that it's for fresh
  water only,
 & I think Emile said it was a bit noisy.
  The inrunner motors that have the winding
 on
  the outside, seem a good option as they
 cool through
  convection to the can. They
 also need higher revs for torque
  &
 require a planetary gear box or similar. ( which a lot
  have built in)
     I was
 looking at the
  option of making my own
 thruster, however the motor would
  require a
 thrust bearing & I don't
  know of
 any that would have one other than
   maybe
 a high powered battery operated drill.
  Any
 thoughts, suggestions thanks.
  Alan
  
  Sent from
 
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   iPad
 
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