[PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Thrusters

hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Wed Sep 10 08:27:58 EDT 2014


Alan,
Check out ebay for gearhead dc motors.  I had a look a while ago for a motor to run my external hyd pump.  There area bunch of cheap China inline motors.
Hank--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 9/10/14, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless Thrusters
 To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Received: Wednesday, September 10, 2014, 6:04 AM
 
 Hi
 Brian,I don't know a lot about them, but I
 believe you can't run them off DC& they
 are generally heavyweight industrial
 units.Alan
 
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 from my iPad
 On
 9/09/2014, at 10:48 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 
 Why not just use an AC induction
 motor then?  
 
 --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
 wrote:
 
 From: Alan via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless
 Thrusters
 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 22:24:04
 +0700
 
 Hi
 Alec,not sure what motivated me down this path,
 but eventually it will add more to the
 psubknowledge pool.The brushless
 motors are used successfully on a lot of rovs &
 expensive submersibles,so I assume the pros out
 way the cons. Just a matter of learning how to put
 togethera good package. The Haswing Protruar
 brushless Chinese trolling motor that Emile
 useswas a very cheap unit. I made enquiries a few
 years ago & they offered me an ex
 factory sample thruster for I think a couple of
 hundred dollars. The motors I'm looking at
 are used on model trucks for racing on short courses; so
 should be able to wind them up quickly. One problem is that
 a lot of motor controllers for themdon't have
 reverse.The motors are so small, you could
 probably use a standard peice of aluminium pipeto
 house them, & machine the propellor shaft & bearing
 housing end out of a solid tube ofaluminium.
  Alan
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 On 9/09/2014, at 8:30 pm,
 Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 
 That is
 remarkable power for the size, very interesting for that
 reason alone. But it seems to me like quite a challenge to
 adapt as a thruster. I recall Emile's comment that the
 high-RPM Chinese brushless trolling motor he was using
 required something like ten seconds to wind up when you gave
 it juice. The efficiency makes it great for surface runs but
 not useful for submerged maneuvering. You might have the
 same issue with this if you need to gear it down.
 Best,
 Alec
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 Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 Update,Am
 still Googling away in pursuit of a home made brushless
 thruster.I am set on using an in-runner motor as
 they have the coils on the outside & will be
 ableto transfer heat through the
 can.The problem with in-runners is they have
 higher revs than out-runners, however either
 will require a planetary gearbox. I am looking
 at reducing the revs down to below 3000
 rpm. This is based on other brushless thrusters
 I have looked at but might not be right ( any
 recommendations)?Another problem is that most
 seem to draw huge amps.Here is a 1200W motor for
 $30-. Of course there is the price of the controller &
 planetary gear that are needed.http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/mobile/viewproduct.asp?idproduct=17720&type=&idparentcat=364Most
 of the suitable motors seem to be found at places like Hobby
 King, and are used on RC trucks, or found on E bike sights.
 The aircraft motors aren't as
 robust.These motors are tiny, but hugely
 powerful, so there is the potential to make a small
 streamlinedpowerful unit.I haven't
 had much luck with a matching gearbox. Some of the planetary
 gearboxes recommendoiling (no good to me unless I
 oil compensate) while others don't. I am looking for a
 cylindrical unit to match my motor, preferably with thrust
 bearings.If anyones got any advice or experience
 in this realm I'd be pleased to hear
 it.Regards Alan
 
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 On 7/09/2014, at
 8:43 pm, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 Hank,the kort nozzle on the Indonesian thruster
 looks a bit Naff. ( I am designing an art work
 here.)I could get a price for the unit without
 kort nozzle, butI'm wondering if I could
 build something for 1/2 that price.There are some
 reasonably priced brushless motors about.I
 don't know that I could just retro fit a thrust bearing
 inside the can of the motor.I tried to put a
 thrust bearing for reverse inside my brushed thrusters,
 butcouldn't find one with a thin enough
 section to fit.Also the motors are a bit
 expensive to just buy & hope you can fit
 one.How did you fit the thrust bearing on Gamma?
  Did the propellor shaft extend out the backof
 the motor?Alan
 
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 7/09/2014, at 7:22 pm, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 
 Allan
 Dont
 worry about thrust bearings to much.  They are aesy to get,
 I bought one for Gamma , real heavy duty for 80 dollars. 
 Personally I would just use a good quality bearing and
 replace it once a year for 8 bucks, if it is a small
 thruster.   Are you not happy with the  Indonesia thrusters?
  Or to pricey?
 Hank           
 
                 
                     
 
                     
                         
                             
                             
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                             Hi people,
 I've
 spent several hours today looking at brushless thrusters
 & wonder if anyone else has looked at them or got any
 ideas. There is the Indonesian thruster I posted a few weeks
 back at US 2,200. There is also the Haswing Protruar 2hp
 that Emile has; however they state that it's for fresh
 water only, & I think Emile said it was a bit noisy.
 The inrunner motors that have the winding on
 the outside, seem a good option as they cool through
 convection to the can. They also need higher revs for torque
 & require a planetary gear box or similar. ( which a lot
 have built in)
    I was looking at the
 option of making my own thruster, however the motor would
 require a thrust bearing & I don't
 know of any that would have one other than
 maybe a high powered battery operated drill.
 Any thoughts, suggestions thanks.
 Alan
 
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