[PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo

hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Tue Jan 6 16:45:57 EST 2015


Alec,
I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have no clue about GPR hulls.  I though a new hull with CT would be the ticket.  The domes rest right on the hull( over 2in thick GPR)   It would be a pretty simple hull to build.  A 32in dia tube with some  external rings and your away.  I actually saw this sub in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.  My brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were after :-) 
Hank-------------------------------------------
On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
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 Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM
 
 Scott,
 this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak
 of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you
 and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!
 Best,
 
 Alec
  
 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04
 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com
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 Ok. Thanks
 Hank.Scott
 Waters
 
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 Scott, 
 I lost the pics in a pc
 problem   You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the
 agent.  If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag
 along.  
 Hank--------------------------------------------
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  That
  might
 be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal
  is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what
 options come
  up.Thanks,Scott Waters
  
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  Date:01/06/2015  12:25 PM  (GMT-06:00)
 
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 Leo 
  
  
 
 Scott,
  I don't know how deep you want
 to go and how much effort
  you want to put
 in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
 
 Tenerife Spain.  The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in
  domes, one at each end.  One end opens as
 the
  hatch.  My idea was to replace the
 hull with 516-70
  steel with a CT.  It had
 a deal worked out at 50K
  landed in
 Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. 
 
 Hank  --------------------------------------------
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   Scott,
   Did he say where
 and how deep?
  
 Hank--------------------------------------------
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 AM
    
    An
    update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was
 sunk in
  deep
   water
    after a insurance claim some time
    ago. Thanks,Scott
   
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    Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
    
    It would surely be nice to find
    Leo. I'd go into hock again for that
 one, just
  for old
   
 time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
  virtually
    certain that
 those particular hull(s) were built of
   
 A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most
  of
   the
   
 boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones
   without
    cyrillic
 operating manuals).
    
   
 
    
    
 
   I don't remember how thick the steel
 
   was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff.
  Plus,
    the main viewport
 was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
  that
    thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty
 of room
  for
   two
    (or enough for three good friends) and that
 huge
  picture
    window in
 the front.
    
    
    
    
   
 
    If Hyco had survived (Leo was their
 last
    P-style boat) I'm betting there
 would be more of
  them
   
 out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
    stranglehold on the shallow water market
 (shallow by
    comparison) and I think it
 was a really good try.
  Sadly,
   it
    all fell apart before
 we could really show her
    off.
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   We did all the deepwater pilot training
 
   in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball.
  These
    days, she'd be
 even better, because the
  subsystems and
    propulsion gear is so much better. That sub
 was rated
  for
    2000
 feet, which ain't bad. How about that
 
 for an option,
    Scott?
 
   
    
    
    
    
   
 No fancy steel. Huge
    viewport. 600
 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
 
 foot
    sphere displaces less than 6-tons.
 Add a pair of
  uncle
   
 Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
  to
    support them. Fair the
 thing like a fat tadpole. You
  could
    probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2
 tons.
    
    
    
    
   
 
    Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats
 weigh
    that, and a good bit more. Yours
 would be a
  lightweight
   
 compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more
   agile,
    easier to
 maintain..... The list goes on. What could
 
 be
    better? Damn, I want one!!! It would
 be perfect for
  my
  
 neck
    of the woods.
   
 
    
    
 
   
    Vance
    
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
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    Thanks for the info
 Phil. I keep running into the
  same
    problems of the material and building of
 the
  personel
    sphere.
    
    Scott Waters
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   
    
    
    
    
   
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    Date:01/05/2015  8:44 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
    
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    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   
    
    
    
    Hi, Guys, and Happy
 New Year to all loyal
    subbers!!
    
    
   
  
    
    
    Glad to shed some little light on the
 Pisces
  subs 
    . .We
 (Nuytco) have 
    four Hyco boats –
 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
  are
   in
    Hawaii at HURL
 (Hawaii 
    Underwater Research Lab) –
 they are out of
  service,
 
   currently and may be sold 
    off if no
 funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
 
 because
   Terry
    Kerby
 and his crew 
    rebuilt them into the
 cream of the Pisces crop! There
  are
    two Pisces boats in 
   
 Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
  actually
   ,
 
   outside a museum). 
    Pisces –1, is
 in the UK, last seen, it  was in
  parts.
    Likewise, P-6  
    is in
 parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
  of
    IUC’s vessel
 ‘Aloha’) 
    and what’s left is in
 New York as Vance mentions. I
  cut
   a
    deal with my old 
    friend  Andre Galerne (before his
 untimely
  death) to
    have
 first dibs on 
    buying P-6 to go into the
 ‘working sub’
  Hyco/Pisces
    display section at our 
   
 long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
  technology
    museum. His
 sons, Lionel 
    and Eric were kind enough
 to honour Andre’s
  wishes 
    and we will arrange 
   
 shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
  better.
    Would appreciate
 it if 
    you would steer clear of this one
 – we do plan to
   rebuild
    to the same condition 
   
 as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .
    ‘Leo’ – I heard some years 
    ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have
 no idea
  what
    ultimately
 happened to 
    it. Maybe ask at
 Silvercrest? About all you will be
  able
   to
    use from the P-boats
 
    now is the personnel sphere – you’d
 probably be
  better
    off
 building one from 
    scratch if you want a
 thousand feet or less – after
  the
    first thou, the spheres 
 
   get much more expensive.
    
    
    Reagards
    
    
   
 Phil
    
    
    
    
   
 
    
     
    
    
   
 
    
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   Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.
    
    
   
 Thanks,
    
    
    Scott Waters
    
    
     
   
 
    
     
    
    
   
 
    
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    International Underwater 
    Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive,
 it was one
  of
   THE
    deep diving 
   
 construction companies in the world. No idea
  what's
    happened up
 there in the 
    last few years. Best to
 ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
  He
    knew/knows all those 
   
 guys. 
    
    Vance
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   
    
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    Vance,
    
    
   
 Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
    probably know this. Haha. 
 
   I figure it's worth at least trying.
 
   
    
    Thanks,
    
    
   
 Scott Waters
    
    
     
    
   
 
     
    
    
    
   
 
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    Anything is possible, Scott. 
    SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half
 an
   opportunity.
    Or at
 least they'll 
    try. You have to be
 willing to wrangle with them. I
   
 don't think they'll respect 
   
 anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
  laying
    around. I've
 never asked. 
    You could do a lot worse,
 if the hulls are
  salvageable.
    There are four pressure 
 
   vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an
  aft
    floatation sphere, and
 the 
    two 32" forward VBTs
 (that's what is under
  the
    fiberglas brow that makes the P 
    boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh
 from ten
  to
   twelve
    tons, depending. 
    Just
 in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
  for
    load capability. The
 
    P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco
 ever did--it was
    fabricated in Jacques
 
    Piccard's shop in Switzerland under
 contract, and
  was
    lap
 finished, as I 
    understand it--both
 inside and out. Lovely thing,
  P-VI. I
    remember her well. 
   
 Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
  out into
    a dumpster. That
 might 
    be another question for our Dr.
 Phil, as I have zero
    contacts up that
 way 
    anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll
 happily spin a
  wrench for
 
   you anytime on one of 
    those. 
    
    Vance
 
   
    
    
    
    
   
 
    
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    Excellent info
 Vance! Thank you so much. I was
  hopeing
    to locate one and 
   
 maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather
  than
    try to build a 1000m
 
    boat from scratch. Any more pointers
 would be
  awesome.
    
    
    
   
 Thanks,
    
    
    Scott Waters
    
    
     
   
 
    
     
    
    
   
 
    
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    P-I Scrapped out by 
 
   Vickers 
    
    P-II
 Rumored 
    to be in a Miami storage unit
 (unconfirmed)
    
    
    P-III ?
    
    
    P-IV In Hawaii and
    in service (but stony broke, I hear)
    
    
   
 P-V 
    Ditto
    
    P-VI 
    IUC warehouse in
 New York, maybe parted
    out
    
    
   
 P-VII In a Russian
    museum (Sevastopol, I
 think)
    
    
    P-VIII
    Nuytco
    
    
   
 P-IX 
    Design
    study
 for Intersub (4K 
    meters, never
 built)
    
    P-X
 Nuytco
    
    
    P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front
    doors, last I 
    saw)
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   
    
    Plus Leo, which
 was a big-window Pisces
    style rated to
 2000' 
    which, along with P-VI and
 Aquarius, are the only
  Hyco
   boats
    that I qualified
 on 
    and operated (although the P-VI
 experience was not a
  good
 
   one for me or the 
    owners, either
 one). I did participate in a Pisces V
   
 overhaul in Houston, but 
    I'm not
 sure that counts except for the busted
   
 knuckles.
    
    
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   I think the boys at Silvercrest might
   
 have one of the question 
    marks, but
 I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
 
 leaves
    one unaccounted for. I'm 
    betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know.
 As a side
  note,
   if
    you look at the 
    Mirs,
 you will see where they sprang from. They are
  Pisces
    boats on steroids.
 
    Those people worked at IUC for a couple
 of years and
    operated P-VII and P-XII
 
    for years after that, then took all
 those dandy
  ideas,
  
 added
    a pile of rubles, 
    and built a couple of big brawny kissing
 cousins. Mir
  1
    &
 Mir 2, by name. 
    The Pisces subs were
 pretty good for the day, but
    maintenance
 heavy. And rest 
    assured, you
 haven't really lived until you have
 
 pulled
    a Pisces battery box at 
    sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   
    
    Vance
    
    
   
 
    
    
 
   
    
    
    
    
   
 
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    Scott,
    
    
   
 Hawaii
    undersea research lab on Oahu has
 two 
    subs.
    
    
    One I know
    is a Pisces & I believe the 
    other is also.
    
    
    I think
    David Columbo has seen them in the 
    last year,
    
    
    he might
    confirm.
    
    
    They told me they were
 losing 
    funding for operating them
    
    
   
 as Govt considered rovs were 
    better
 value for money.
    
   
 
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    Does
    anyone know what happened to all 
    the Pisces submarines? I believe there was
 10 built,
  but
    only one
 or two that 
    are still in operation. I
 think NOAA has one.
    
   
 
     
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    
   
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