[PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo

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Tue Jan 6 18:13:36 EST 2015


Hank,

Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's about the extent of it. 

Thanks,

Alec



> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> Alec,
> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have no clue about GPR hulls.  I though a new hull with CT would be the ticket.  The domes rest right on the hull( over 2in thick GPR)   It would be a pretty simple hull to build.  A 32in dia tube with some  external rings and your away.  I actually saw this sub in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.  My brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were after :-) 
> Hank-------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM
> 
> Scott,
> this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak
> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you
> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!
> Best,
> 
> Alec
>  
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04
> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com
> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> Ok. Thanks
> Hank.Scott
> Waters
> 
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> From:
> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles  
> Date:01/06/2015  12:46 PM 
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> Scott, 
> I lost the pics in a pc
> problem   You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the
> agent.  If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag
> along.  
> Hank--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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>  Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM
> 
>  That
>  might
> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal
>  is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what
> options come
>  up.Thanks,Scott Waters
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>  From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles 
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>  Date:01/06/2015  12:25 PM  (GMT-06:00)
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>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
> Leo 
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> 
> Scott,
>  I don't know how deep you want
> to go and how much effort
>  you want to put
> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
> 
> Tenerife Spain.  The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in
>  domes, one at each end.  One end opens as
> the
>  hatch.  My idea was to replace the
> hull with 516-70
>  steel with a CT.  It had
> a deal worked out at 50K
>  landed in
> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. 
> 
> Hank  --------------------------------------------
>  On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via
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>   Subject: Re:
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>   Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12
> PM
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>   Scott,
>   Did he say where
> and how deep?
>  
> Hank--------------------------------------------
>   On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
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>   Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>    To:
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> Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>    Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57
> AM
>    
>    An
>    update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was
> sunk in
>  deep
>   water
>    after a insurance claim some time
>    ago. Thanks,Scott
>   
> Waters
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> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
>    
>    It would surely be nice to find
>    Leo. I'd go into hock again for that
> one, just
>  for old
>   
> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
>  virtually
>    certain that
> those particular hull(s) were built of
>   
> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most
>  of
>   the
>   
> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones
>   without
>    cyrillic
> operating manuals).
>    
>   
> 
>    
>    
> 
>   I don't remember how thick the steel
> 
>   was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff.
>  Plus,
>    the main viewport
> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
>  that
>    thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty
> of room
>  for
>   two
>    (or enough for three good friends) and that
> huge
>  picture
>    window in
> the front.
>    
>    
>    
>    
>   
> 
>    If Hyco had survived (Leo was their
> last
>    P-style boat) I'm betting there
> would be more of
>  them
>   
> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
>    stranglehold on the shallow water market
> (shallow by
>    comparison) and I think it
> was a really good try.
>  Sadly,
>   it
>    all fell apart before
> we could really show her
>    off.
>    
>    
>   
> 
>    
>    
> 
>   We did all the deepwater pilot training
> 
>   in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball.
>  These
>    days, she'd be
> even better, because the
>  subsystems and
>    propulsion gear is so much better. That sub
> was rated
>  for
>    2000
> feet, which ain't bad. How about that
> 
> for an option,
>    Scott?
> 
>   
>    
>    
>    
>    
>   
> No fancy steel. Huge
>    viewport. 600
> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
> 
> foot
>    sphere displaces less than 6-tons.
> Add a pair of
>  uncle
>   
> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
>  to
>    support them. Fair the
> thing like a fat tadpole. You
>  could
>    probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2
> tons.
>    
>    
>    
>    
>   
> 
>    Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats
> weigh
>    that, and a good bit more. Yours
> would be a
>  lightweight
>   
> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more
>   agile,
>    easier to
> maintain..... The list goes on. What could
> 
> be
>    better? Damn, I want one!!! It would
> be perfect for
>  my
>  
> neck
>    of the woods.
>   
> 
>    
>    
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>   
>    Vance
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>    Thanks for the info
> Phil. I keep running into the
>  same
>    problems of the material and building of
> the
>  personel
>    sphere.
>    
>    Scott Waters
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>    From: Phil Nuytten via
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>    Date:01/05/2015  8:44 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
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>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
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>    Hi, Guys, and Happy
> New Year to all loyal
>    subbers!!
>    
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>   
>  
>    
>    
>    Glad to shed some little light on the
> Pisces
>  subs 
>    . .We
> (Nuytco) have 
>    four Hyco boats –
> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
>  are
>   in
>    Hawaii at HURL
> (Hawaii 
>    Underwater Research Lab) –
> they are out of
>  service,
> 
>   currently and may be sold 
>    off if no
> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
> 
> because
>   Terry
>    Kerby
> and his crew 
>    rebuilt them into the
> cream of the Pisces crop! There
>  are
>    two Pisces boats in 
>   
> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
>  actually
>   ,
> 
>   outside a museum). 
>    Pisces –1, is
> in the UK, last seen, it  was in
>  parts.
>    Likewise, P-6  
>    is in
> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
>  of
>    IUC’s vessel
> ‘Aloha’) 
>    and what’s left is in
> New York as Vance mentions. I
>  cut
>   a
>    deal with my old 
>    friend  Andre Galerne (before his
> untimely
>  death) to
>    have
> first dibs on 
>    buying P-6 to go into the
> ‘working sub’
>  Hyco/Pisces
>    display section at our 
>   
> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
>  technology
>    museum. His
> sons, Lionel 
>    and Eric were kind enough
> to honour Andre’s
>  wishes 
>    and we will arrange 
>   
> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
>  better.
>    Would appreciate
> it if 
>    you would steer clear of this one
> – we do plan to
>   rebuild
>    to the same condition 
>   
> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .
>    ‘Leo’ – I heard some years 
>    ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have
> no idea
>  what
>    ultimately
> happened to 
>    it. Maybe ask at
> Silvercrest? About all you will be
>  able
>   to
>    use from the P-boats
> 
>    now is the personnel sphere – you’d
> probably be
>  better
>    off
> building one from 
>    scratch if you want a
> thousand feet or less – after
>  the
>    first thou, the spheres 
> 
>   get much more expensive.
>    
>    
>    Reagards
>    
>    
>   
> Phil
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>   Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.
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> Thanks,
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>    Scott Waters
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>    Date:01/05/2015 6:34 
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>    International Underwater 
>    Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive,
> it was one
>  of
>   THE
>    deep diving 
>   
> construction companies in the world. No idea
>  what's
>    happened up
> there in the 
>    last few years. Best to
> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
>  He
>    knew/knows all those 
>   
> guys. 
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>    Vance
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>    Vance,
>    
>    
>   
> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
>    probably know this. Haha. 
> 
>   I figure it's worth at least trying.
> 
>   
>    
>    Thanks,
>    
>    
>   
> Scott Waters
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>   Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) 
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>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
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>    Anything is possible, Scott. 
>    SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half
> an
>   opportunity.
>    Or at
> least they'll 
>    try. You have to be
> willing to wrangle with them. I
>   
> don't think they'll respect 
>   
> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
>  laying
>    around. I've
> never asked. 
>    You could do a lot worse,
> if the hulls are
>  salvageable.
>    There are four pressure 
> 
>   vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an
>  aft
>    floatation sphere, and
> the 
>    two 32" forward VBTs
> (that's what is under
>  the
>    fiberglas brow that makes the P 
>    boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh
> from ten
>  to
>   twelve
>    tons, depending. 
>    Just
> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
>  for
>    load capability. The
> 
>    P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco
> ever did--it was
>    fabricated in Jacques
> 
>    Piccard's shop in Switzerland under
> contract, and
>  was
>    lap
> finished, as I 
>    understand it--both
> inside and out. Lovely thing,
>  P-VI. I
>    remember her well. 
>   
> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
>  out into
>    a dumpster. That
> might 
>    be another question for our Dr.
> Phil, as I have zero
>    contacts up that
> way 
>    anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll
> happily spin a
>  wrench for
> 
>   you anytime on one of 
>    those. 
>    
>    Vance
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>    Excellent info
> Vance! Thank you so much. I was
>  hopeing
>    to locate one and 
>   
> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather
>  than
>    try to build a 1000m
> 
>    boat from scratch. Any more pointers
> would be
>  awesome.
>    
>    
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>   
> Thanks,
>    
>    
>    Scott Waters
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>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
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>    P-I Scrapped out by 
> 
>   Vickers 
>    
>    P-II
> Rumored 
>    to be in a Miami storage unit
> (unconfirmed)
>    
>    
>    P-III ?
>    
>    
>    P-IV In Hawaii and
>    in service (but stony broke, I hear)
>    
>    
>   
> P-V 
>    Ditto
>    
>    P-VI 
>    IUC warehouse in
> New York, maybe parted
>    out
>    
>    
>   
> P-VII In a Russian
>    museum (Sevastopol, I
> think)
>    
>    
>    P-VIII
>    Nuytco
>    
>    
>   
> P-IX 
>    Design
>    study
> for Intersub (4K 
>    meters, never
> built)
>    
>    P-X
> Nuytco
>    
>    
>    P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front
>    doors, last I 
>    saw)
>    
>    
>   
> 
>    
>    
> 
>   
>    
>    Plus Leo, which
> was a big-window Pisces
>    style rated to
> 2000' 
>    which, along with P-VI and
> Aquarius, are the only
>  Hyco
>   boats
>    that I qualified
> on 
>    and operated (although the P-VI
> experience was not a
>  good
> 
>   one for me or the 
>    owners, either
> one). I did participate in a Pisces V
>   
> overhaul in Houston, but 
>    I'm not
> sure that counts except for the busted
>   
> knuckles.
>    
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>    
>    
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>    
>    
> 
>   I think the boys at Silvercrest might
>   
> have one of the question 
>    marks, but
> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
> 
> leaves
>    one unaccounted for. I'm 
>    betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know.
> As a side
>  note,
>   if
>    you look at the 
>    Mirs,
> you will see where they sprang from. They are
>  Pisces
>    boats on steroids.
> 
>    Those people worked at IUC for a couple
> of years and
>    operated P-VII and P-XII
> 
>    for years after that, then took all
> those dandy
>  ideas,
>  
> added
>    a pile of rubles, 
>    and built a couple of big brawny kissing
> cousins. Mir
>  1
>    &
> Mir 2, by name. 
>    The Pisces subs were
> pretty good for the day, but
>    maintenance
> heavy. And rest 
>    assured, you
> haven't really lived until you have
> 
> pulled
>    a Pisces battery box at 
>    sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
>    
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>    
>    Scott,
>    
>    
>   
> Hawaii
>    undersea research lab on Oahu has
> two 
>    subs.
>    
>    
>    One I know
>    is a Pisces & I believe the 
>    other is also.
>    
>    
>    I think
>    David Columbo has seen them in the 
>    last year,
>    
>    
>    he might
>    confirm.
>    
>    
>    They told me they were
> losing 
>    funding for operating them
>    
>    
>   
> as Govt considered rovs were 
>    better
> value for money.
>    
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>    Alan
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>    Does
>    anyone know what happened to all 
>    the Pisces submarines? I believe there was
> 10 built,
>  but
>    only one
> or two that 
>    are still in operation. I
> think NOAA has one.
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>    Thanks,
>    
>    
>   
> Scott
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