[PSUBS-MAILIST] Vessel salvage

Mon Feb 8 15:21:00 EST 2016

In general you can dive to any wreck and take a look. Things change if you 
get you hands or grap on it.

In some German Countrys even the search for wrecks with aboat with special 
electronics like side scan or magnetometer

need a permission.

But it is much more complicate - nearly each staate has own special rules.

vbr Carsten

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Datum: 2016-02-08T21:05:44+0100

Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" 
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An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" 
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Tim,
How can anyone claim the water it sits in.  I understand the rights of the 
ship owner, they do not own the ground it sits on or the area around it.  
If so then they should  be paying rent to the land owner lol.  Who has 
jurisdiction in international waters, hmmm maybe Canada has a say.
Hank

On Monday, February 8, 2016 12:35 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles 
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Good question, Hank.
Wrecks are often owned by individuals or corporations.  Military wrecks are 
owned in perpetuity by the original country of flag.  Unless the owner 
publicly relinquishes ownership, an abandoned vessel is still owned by the 
original owner and is not finders keepers.  Maritime law is very specific 
in that someone who salvages an abandoned vessel may earn a reward for 
their efforts based on the risks taken, but the vessel and all fittings and 
cargo are still owned by the original vessel owner.  Wreckers don't have a 
lot of legal footing these days.  All that 1700's Spanish gold all over the 
east coast still really belongs to Spain, but they have only just now 
started chasing their rights on more recent wrecks. When you find that 
Spanish Galleon wrecked in Lake Minnewanka you better get a lawyer.
The Titanic requires a permit from someone and would likely only allow 
looking but no touching, and certainly no taking.
Tim

Here is BC any vessel on the bottom for two years or more is owned by the 
province.
From: Personal_Submersibles 
[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk 
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Scott,
I bet it is well protected, I am sure a sub with no manipulators could get 
approval.  Who decides anyways? the people that took what they want 
already? 
Hank

On Monday, February 8, 2016 11:36 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > 
wrote:

I actually think the RMS Titanic is at 12,500 fsw and I believe has pretty 
strict rules and permits required to dive it.

-Scott Waters 

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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] STS Sub Design Software
  From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles"
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
  >
  Date: Mon, February 08, 2016 11:18 am
  To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
  >

  Titanic is sitting at 8000 fsw. That's a tight payload budget to design
  within without a foam block or more exotic hull material.
  Sean

  On February 8, 2016 8:38:39 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
  > wrote:
   If I have a good year this year, I hope to build a Titanic capable sub
   exactly the same as what I am building now but much heavier of coarse.  
   I will have EE weld it together and I will have the machining done for
   me also.
   Hank

   On Monday, February 8, 2016 7:30 AM, Sean ! T. Stevenson via
   Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
   <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote:

   Funny, I could say the same thing about your budget.  ;-)
   Sean

   On February 8, 2016 6:27:59 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
   <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote:
    Hi Sean,
    Thank you for your efforts with your programs, they have been a huge
    help to me.   If I had your knowledge, I would be looking out my  port
    at the Titanic.
    Hank

    On Saturday, February 6, 2016 7:03 ! AM, Jon Wallace via
    Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > w! rote:

    The latest version of the STS Sub Design Software written by Sean
    Stevenson is up on the web site.

    WWW.PSUBS.ORG <http://www.psubs.org/> -> Resources & Reference ->
    Design Tools -> Calculators &
    Data Sheets

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