[PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation

Fri Jan 15 21:50:24 EST 2016

Brian,
it wasn't easy. You have to maintain the pressure internally between 1 & 6 psi minimum
to reabsorb gasses. I was doing it to go inside an ambient sub.
I took the valves off the cells & enclosed the battery. I then put 2 one way 3psi cracking
pressure valves in the cover. one valve let air in when pressure in the sub was over 3psi
& the other let air out when the sub ascended & the pressure in the battery was more than
3 psi above the pressure in the hull. Thus I always maintained a minimum internal pressure
of 3psi. It was filled with mineral oil.
I believe deep sea power & lights oil filled sea battery is AGM. The diaphragm that covers it would keep some internal pressure in the battery.
Alan

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> On 16/01/2016, at 3:25 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Alan,   I thought you indicated that it's not good to compensate the AGM's because they can't vary over 6 psi   ?
>  
> Brian
> 
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
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> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:46:38 +1300
> 
> I am not sure Brian,
> they give off very little gas. Certainly a lot less than wet cel batteries.
> Mainly the gas is given off during
> charging & in particular if the charging is not done right.
> On my AGMs there is a glued on cover plate running across the
> tops of all the valves to hold them in place. The valves themselves
> are just a flexible cap. Any overpressure above a couple of psi just
> forces out the side of the flexible cap. 
> I compensated mine with mineral oil, but used the scented baby oil 
> from the supermarket. The chemicals in the scented mineral oil
> caused it to off gas more than normal. When I changed to unscented
> it stopped, but even then it wasn't excessive.
> Alan
> 
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> On 16/01/2016, at 7:57 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Alan,
>              I wouldn't mind knowing the workings of those AGM's since I will be using them inside my cabin.  Should I have a hydrogen monitor?
>  
> Brian Cox
> 
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
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> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation
> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:49:25 +1300
> 
> Hi Brian,
> the AGM batteries need to be kept at an internal pressure
> of between 1-6 psi to reabsorb gasses. They have little one
> way valves on each cell & are difficult to compensate.
> Can go in to detail if you like.
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> On 16/01/2016, at 6:01 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Hank,
>                  Using AGM batteries you may have less issues with topping off the cells.
>  
> Brian
> 
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
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> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC)
> 
> Tom,
> I think the relay will be okay, I think I have done it in the past, just can't remember where ;-)    
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:36 AM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell.
> 
> I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts?
> 
> From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation
> 
> Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver.  I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil.  This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed.  My deal on CNG  tanks fell apart.  The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him.   I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes.  
> 
> I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up.  I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that.  I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time.  This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil.
> Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air?
> 
> I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull.  I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays.
> Hank
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