[PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass
via Personal_Submersibles
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Thu Jun 9 10:09:37 EDT 2016
haha. Ok. Easy enough. I guess I was expecting a harder deal.
Thank you,
Scott Waters
> -------Original Message-------
> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass
> Sent: Jun 09 '16 09:08
>
> Assuming you mean the penetrator that passes through the hull? It
> attaches to the motor by screwing into the existing threaded hole
> where the original fibreglass shaft attached.
>
> On 9 June 2016 at 14:17, via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> > How does the rotator attach to the motor?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Scott Waters
> >
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass
> >
> >> Sent: Jun 08 '16 10:14
> >>
> >> James,
> >> Yes I always thread in penetrators now, right beside the brush
> > on each
> >> side, super easy!
> >> As for taking the motor apart, the wires are coiled inside to
> > allow
> >> for removing the end cap with the brushes. Its a bitch, and I
> > hate it!
> >> but it is better than try to rotate the wires in the tight turn
> > in the
> >> housing. Of coarse a test assemble to ensure the wire length
> > works
> >> before epoxy is important. There is potential for damaging a
> > wire and
> >> not knowing it is damaged. Maybe my motors have a tighter turn
> > in them
> >> than the 101's. Either way, I like the way I do it now.
> >> Hank
> >> ps; nice picture
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:58 AM, James Frankland via
> >> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hank. What if you have to take the motors apart for anything?
> > They are
> >> potted now and you get the same problem as I have\had?? I made a
> >> brilliant picture.
> >>
> >> The problem for me is getting the cables from the potted shafts
> > onto
> >> the spade terminals while trying to push the brushed back
> > through a
> >> 2mm hole.... Probably the same awkward bend as you mentioned.
> >>
> >> If I did this again, I would probably have the cables threaded
> > and
> >> going outside and then back into the hull through a standard
> >> penetrator. If I read it right that's what you've done. And I
> > might
> >> even do away with the rotating motors and have 4 of them static.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> On 8 June 2016 at 12:39, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > O ya one more thing, to remove the original shaft, heat it up
> > first,
> >> > there seems to be some sort of lock tight on the threads.
> >> > Hank
> >> >
> >> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 5:35 AM, hank pronk via
> >> > Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have opted for drilling and tapping in penetrators rather
> > then run
> >> > the wires through the shaft opening. If you go with your wires
> >> > through the pivot shaft, I found that a two step process works
> > for
> >> > me. First I put the wires through the motor opening and seal
> > them in
> >> > place. The epoxy does not need to go into the motor, so I just
> >> > silicone the wires at the motor so epoxy does not run into the
> >> > motor. Alan had a great idea to use chewing gum. Then I feed
> > the
> >> > sealed wires through the shaft and then thread the shaft into
> > the
> >> > motor and fill with either epoxy or casting resin. I use a
> > casting
> >> > resin with super high compressive strength. If you install the
> > wires
> >> > with the epoxy into the shaft first, it is a bugger to rotate
> > the
> >> > shaft into the threads because my motors have an akward bend
> > that
> >> > the wires have to make. I have not used 101's though, just 50
> > lb
> >> > thrust, but I think they are similar.
> >> > Hank
> >> >
> >> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 4:09 AM, James Frankland via
> >> > Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I made the rotating through hulls with 2x brass rods passing
> > through
> >> > into the hull.
> >> >
> >> > Personally, I find these motors and in particular these
> > through
> >> > hulls the single most time consuming part of psubbing.
> > Difficult to
> >> > construct and maintain.
> >> >
> >> >
> > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page21512.htm
> >> > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page24592.htm
> >> >
> >> > Biggest problem is that when you have filled the inside of the
> >> > through hull with epoxy, there is no longer any adjustment on
> > the
> >> > cable. So you have to make the cables fit without touching any
> > part
> >> > of the motor innards. Some sort of modification needed im
> > sure. Plus
> >> > the motors jam in the through hull tubes. Oil compensation is
> > messy
> >> > and a nuisance.
> >> >
> >> > I have seen Emile's hubless motors and these are much better,
> > but
> >> > not available to us at the moment I don't think.
> >> >
> >> > I just took delivery today of 8 brand new AGM batteries......
> > :)
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > James
> >> >
> >> > On 7 June 2016 at 19:59, via Personal_Submersibles
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> How has everyone retrofitted the MinKota's to have a 1"
> > rotating
> >> >> shaft to go through the penetrators?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you,
> >> >> Scott Waters
> >> >>
> >> >>> -------Original Message-------
> >> >>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
> >> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass
> >> >>> Sent: Jun 07 '16 13:10
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have the Minn-Kota 101,s and would like to see how those
> > who
> >> >> have
> >> >>> done it have passed the power cables from the oil filled
> > motor
> >> >> threw
> >> >>> the fitting that rotates and passes threw the hull to the
> >> >> inside.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Rick
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Alan James via
> >> >> Personal_Submersibles
> >> >>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Brian,
> >> >>>> something you could experiment with is applying epoxy to
> > the
> >> >> glass
> >> >>>> mat that
> >> >>>> you want to adhere or on the sub itself & wait till it gets
> >> >> tacky
> >> >>>> before applying it.
> >> >>>> Then apply the rest of the epoxy later, wait till the last
> >> >> coat gets
> >> >>>> tacky & add some more
> >> >>>> glass cloth.
> >> >>>> You could take your time with that process, but the epoxy
> > is
> >> >> twice
> >> >>>> the cost of the polyester.
> >> >>>> Alan
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -------------------------
> >> >>>> FROM: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
> >> >>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >>>> TO: PSubs <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >>>> SENT: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:20 AM
> >> >>>> SUBJECT: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass
> >> >>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hank, I wanted to mention that some of my brilliant upside
> >> >> down
> >> >>>> fiberglass work did not go that great. I did not get the
> >> >> adhesion
> >> >>>> that I should have, some place seemed fine but other areas
> > I
> >> >> didn't
> >> >>>> get the resin to soak in good enough. I may try something
> >> >> else next
> >> >>>> time. I may put an initial coat of resin on the underside,
> >> >> soak the
> >> >>>> fiberglass and then try to compress it up there some how
> > with
> >> >> a
> >> >>>> plastic mold release barrier.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Brian
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