[PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
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Thu May 19 10:01:47 EDT 2016
Ok. I will look more into it. How do you go about testing if a motor is pulling the amount it's plate says it should. I am also suspicious that since the motors are old, that it may have barrings that are not spinning very well, but I don't believe that is the problem.
Thank you,
Scott Waters
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> Sent: May 19 '16 08:05
>
> Hi Scott,
> I'm not sure what sort of fuses you have, but there are different
> types, sort of split into "fast blow" and "slow blow". It's pretty
> literal - the slow ones take a bit longer before they burn out, and I
> think are designed for applications like your motor starter where
> there is a brief current spike at the start. Circuit breakers should
> also be relatively slow acting (and being resettable is nice).
>
> Might be a very easy fix if it's just a matter of replacing the fuses
> with ones that blow as slowly as possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:53 PM, via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> > Alec,
> >
> > I am pretty sure that is correct. The side thrusters are 14.5 amp
> > 36V and I believe 1/3 horse and the rear thruster is 74 amp 36 volt
> > and 3 horse. I may have to take them apart to look at the plates on
> > them again. The problem I am having is the spike from on/off in
> > either forward or reverse frequently pops the fuse. Is a motor
> > controller the best way to fix this or is there a better way such as
> > a capacitor? DC electrical motors and engineering are my two weak
> > subjects in submarines.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Scott Waters
> >
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >> From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >
> >> Sent: May 18 '16 20:35
> >>
> >> Scott are you sure those motors only pull 15 amps? It seems very
> >> little for a stonking big piece of hardware like that, but maybe
> > the
> >> motor inside the can is smaller that one would expect. Consider
> > the
> >> 101's also run at 36 volts but pull three times the current.
> > Anyway if
> >> the current draw is correct you would have no problem running
> > them off
> >> the standard MK controller. You could even run both of them off
> > a
> >> single controller, although you would need some switches or
> > relays to
> >> reverse them independently. But the MK controllers are cheap, so
> > maybe
> >> just provide each thruster its own speed control.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Alec
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Alan James via
> > Personal_Submersibles
> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Scott,
> >> > thinking more about it. That Kelly controller requires a
> > separate
> >> > reverse contactor & reverse switch.
> >> > (they sell them)
> >> > Also you need to buy their connectors to connect to the
> > computer to
> >> > program it. The wiring diagram
> >> > is for a key start, which is a solenoid switch, so you have to
> > work
> >> > out how to wire it differently if
> >> > you don't want a key start.
> >> > You sound like you are within the parameters of a MK 101 motor
> >> > controller. I am not familiar
> >> > with it but Cliff & Alec are. I believe you can just plug in
> > the
> >> > right joystick with spring to centre
> >> > & get forward & backward on that same axis. The MK sounds like
> > it
> >> > would be a lot simpler to set up.
> >> > Alan
> >> >
> >> > -------------------------
> >> > FROM: Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > TO: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > SENT: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:08 AM
> >> >
> >> > SUBJECT: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >> >
> >> > No, they are Kitteredge originals
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Scott Waters
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone
> >> >
> >> > -------- Original message --------
> >> > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > Date: 05/18/2016 3:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
> >> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >> >
> >> > Scott,
> >> > are they Minn kota motors?
> >> > Alan
> >> >
> >> > -------------------------
> >> > FROM: via Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > TO: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > SENT: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:29 AM
> >
> >>> SUBJECT: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Alan
> >> >
> >> > -Scott Waters
> >> >
> >> >> -------Original Message-------
> >> >> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >> >> Sent: May 18 '16 13:45
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott,
> >> >> I would say something like this item.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> http://kellycontroller.com/kds36100e100a24v-36v-mini-brushed-controller-p-270.html
> >> >> Kelly will give you advice on choosing a suitable controller
> > &
> >> > they
> >> >> normally respond the
> >> >> same day. They say the controller should be 2-3 x the power
> > of
> >> > the
> >> >> motor.
> >> >> When I bought my Brushless motor controller I found I
> > couldn't
> >> >> reverse off a joy stick.
> >> >> They had a joystick port but just for forward control. I was
> >> > required
> >> >> to pay more to get the same
> >> >> unit programmed to do this. It is a bit ambiguous how they
> > word
> >> > this
> >> >> option in the manual.
> >> >> I saw those Pisces subs on Oahu a couple of years back as has
> >> > David
> >> >> C. They were having
> >> >> funding problems at the time. There are normally turtles in
> > the
> >> > water
> >> >> by the wharf & a hole off
> >> >> to the left that has some resident reef sharks. The guys will
> >> > point it
> >> >> out.
> >> >> Cheers Alan
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------------------
> >> >> FROM: via Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >> TO: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >> SENT: Thursday, May 19, 2016 5:42 AM
> >> >> SUBJECT: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I am looking for a motor controller for my two side
> > thrusters. I
> >> >> currently have it on a off/on switch and it blows fuses from
> > the
> >> >> spike. I have a variable controller for my rear thruster that
> >> > works
> >> >> well. The motors are 14.5 amp each and are 36 volt.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you,
> >> >> Scott Waters
> >> >>
> >> >>> -------Original Message-------
> >> >>> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
> >> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kelly controllers
> >> >>> Sent: Apr 29 '16 15:34
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Alec,
> >> >>> one thing that wasn't obvious with my KBS mini controller
> >> > purchase
> >> >>> was that if you want to run forward / reverse off one axis
> > of a
> >> >>> joystick,
> >> >>> you have to specify this option. It costs you an extra $26-
> > &
> >> > is a
> >> >>> software change they make. They call this an electric boat
> >> > function.
> >> >>> Alan
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