[PSUBS-MAILIST] High Pressure Pump

Wed Apr 26 06:10:32 EDT 2017

Alec,You sure can use water pressure for a manipulator.  It would be tricky in a cold environment because of freezing in storage.  For a 1,000 foot sub you need 1,100 psi so thats no problem.  Hank 

    On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 A question for which I expect Hank probably has the practical solution... The new Greg Principle (excellent!) that all things should serve at least two purposes inspired the question. Could we not use such a little HP water pump to drive a manipulator too? 
:)
Alec
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Thanks Greg,I just bought the 36V Karcher pressure washer, 750 psi. I will post somepictures when I have pulled it to bits. The 36V battery is 2 Ah & mayhave use as an emergency back up battery for the subs life support system.I want to use the pump as a simple way of adjusting buoyancy for a wide range of pilot weights & as you suggest, utilising any space withcontoured containers will be the way to go. I'm open to using flexible bags.I am not sure what the system on the Deep Worker is now, but it did have a soft tank system that was in the plastic seat. They would pump water out & in at thesurface. The water filled seat proved to be a chilling experience & they movedaway from it. I went with the high pressure pump mainly because there is a safety factor there if it happened to see external pressure. I haven't thought through this well, but it could be used like a hydraulic pump to activate externalfunctions such as a buoy release mechanism or drop weight mechanism.Thanks for putting us on the right track.Alan

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On 26/04/2017, at 12:03 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:

Alan,
I think that you could run saltwater through any of these pumps as long as you flush them with fresh water after the dive. 
The great thing about pumping water out of a soft tank for small subs is that you can fabricate a tank out of plastics or fiberglass that will fit into an otherwise unusable space. Hard tanks take up a lot of room!Although its been years since my sub was underwater, it has a pair of crescent shaped plastic tanks which conform to the hull and double as seating. Everything should have at least TWO purposes! At first, I had a bronze rotary pump with a dc motor that pumped them out but after a while I just dumped the water overboard after the dive (the tanks were slender enough to get through the hatch).But much of your set up will depend on how you dive. Initially, I dove the sub negative and pumping water in and out seemed the way to go. Later, I started diving slightly positive and used a vertical thruster to control altitude over the bottom. After trying both methods, I think that a few ounces positive makes diving subs a lot more fun (and safer with better vis too). The pump is only needed as a backup if you get the buoyancy right at the surface. When its time to come back up, just turn off the vertical thruster and the sub gently heads back up! This is a good way to keep saltwater out of the pump!  Anyway, good luck with the build.
Greg C

      From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
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Thanks Greg & Hank,size is a determining factor for me as I am building a one person subsmaller than Cliff's R300.That 500 psi battery powered unit looks good Greg. I wonder if I couldput salt water through it though!I saw this marine pump that looks a good alternative if I can't find anythingin the high pressure range. But it doesn't say you can run salt water through it.http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V- Seaflo-100-PSI-Water-Pump-RV- Boat-High-Pressure-Marine- Boat-4-Year-Warranty-/ 191830266640It is small, not much bigger than a 1 litre milk bottle (in picture)There is this 1600psi AC water blaster with a "corrosion free for life" pump.https://www.mitre10.co.nz/ shop/karcher-k2-basic- electric-waterblaster-1400- watt/p/269411Perhaps I could replace the motor with one of my 2000W brushless DC motors?Attached photo is of a water blaster motor & pump I have, one of my DC brushless motors with key way & a 1 litre (quart) bottle of milk for size comparison. Although the water blaster is an AC unit, it has a universal motor & I have run it on 32V DC, but is very weak. Another thought was to pull apart the water blaster pump & hard anodise the aluminium pump body! Here we go again! Alan<image1.JPG>

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On 26/04/2017, at 12:46 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:

Here's one that is 500 psi at 1 GPM-
yardforceusa

Greg C

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      From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
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 Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:37 AM
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Hi Alan,
There are now some battery powered pressure washers that should work fine. Here's a link to one of them-
New Hitachi Cordless 18V Pressure Washer - Tool Craze

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Greg C

      From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs. org 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:14 AM
 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] High Pressure Pump

Hi,
I've been searching for a high pressure marine water pump over 500psi
with view of using it on my trimming system & compensating system, 
but haven't had much luck.
I want to be able to pump water out at 500 ft to adjust the buoyancy. 
The 500psi is for a bit of redundancy. An additional thought was that I 
could have a valve on it to operate a drop weight mechanism.
Anybody know of any such animal in existence thanks.
Alan

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