[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 50, Issue 19

Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Wed Aug 9 22:00:21 EDT 2017


Wow ok - interested to have peltiers explained like that.

Yes Alan, Melbourne is a great place - sadly no submersibles though...



On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Mark,
> you don't need any through hulls, just glue them on to your hull with
> a heat transfer compound. The heat will go through the hull to the
> surrounding
> water but will also radiate laterally through the metal; hence my
> suggestion
> to insulate around the area a bit so that the cold or heat can't come back
> in to
> the hull.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 10/08/2017, at 1:19 PM, Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >
> > Peltier modules ARE more efficient than resistive heaters because they
> are true heat pumps - they don't supply (all) the heat that they emit on
> the hot side. In fact, they are more efficient as heaters than as coolers.
> That said, using them is a lot more difficult than using resistors, because
> they have to be connected on one side to a heat source and on the other to
> the area you want heated. In a sub, that sounds like you need another
> penetration in your pressure hull, which I would not be interested in if it
> were mine.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >> On 8/10/2017 8:14 AM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
> >> Hi Alan,
> >> Resistive heating being about as close as you can get to 100%, I would
> be sceptical about that. I've experimented with Peltier modules for gas
> cooling and they were quite disappointing in performance, although
> wonderfully simple in operation.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Steve
> >> On 10 Aug 2017 8:33 am, "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> wrote:
> >>    Just did some Googling on the Peltier as a heater.
> >>    In an experiment I saw it was more efficient than resistive heating!
> >>    This depends to an extent on the ambient heat differential.
> >>    I would imagine you would need to attach them to the hull & surround
> >>    them
> >>    with an insulating material to stop the metal of the hull radiating
> back
> >>    the cold or heat produced, & force it to transfer it all to the
> water.
> >>    Another bunny trail to investigate.
> >>    Cheers Alan
> >>    Sent from my iPad
> >>    On 10/08/2017, at 9:18 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles
> >>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
> >>>    Mike,
> >>>    the peltier is only 1/4 to 1/3 as efficient as a compressor
> >>>    system, but Cliff
> >>>    & I have very little spare room. They serve as heaters by
> >>>    reversing polarity.
> >>>    I am not sure of their efficiency as heaters compared with
> >>>    resistive coils;
> >>>    probably poor!  Cliff would have to cut a hole in his fibreglass
> >>>    outer & dig back
> >>>    the syntactic foam to the pressure hull to get cooling on the
> >>>    reverse side of
> >>>    the peltier or compressor air conditioning unit. Could look sexy
> >>>    if he put some
> >>>    shark gills in it for water ingress.
> >>>    Cliff didn't have a cover on the dome, & that would let a lot of
> >>>    heat in.
> >>>    We had a wet towel on Snoopy last time at Islamorada.
> >>>    Have heard that people like Nuytco use a shore based air
> >>>    conditioner to cool
> >>>    the sub down prior to a dive; but I don't know how long that
> >>>    benefit would
> >>>    last being towed out that distance.
> >>>    Cheers Alan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>    On 10/08/2017, at 6:25 AM, peaceroom via Personal_Submersibles
> >>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Reference,summer submarine cooling. A scaled down version of the
> >>>>    small cooler with ice and DC fan, similar to the one in Sportys,
> >>>>    aviation supplies is what a lot of planes use. Just an
> >>>>    inexpensive idea. Peltier coolers provide very little cooling
> >>>>    versus DC current used. Mike Patterson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    Sent from my Samsung device
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    -------- Original message --------
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> >>>>       1. Re: Islamorada Trip Report...
> >>>>          (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles)
> >>>>       2. Re: Islamorada Trip Report...
> >>>>          (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    ------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >>>>
> >>>>    Message: 1
> >>>>    Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:03:07 -0500
> >>>>    From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> >>>>    To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> >>>>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Islamorada Trip Report...
> >>>>    Message-ID:
> >>>>    <CAK4DN4DuhY87_6v+19RNb-6x2d9fKdaCW1uND2psz=ncVoQ9cg@
> mail.gmail.com
> >>>>    <mailto:CAK4DN4DuhY87_6v+19RNb-6x2d9fKdaCW1uND2psz=ncVo
> Q9cg at mail.gmail.com>>
> >>>>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>>
> >>>>    Footage from my sub on the trip is limited due to condensation on
> >>>>    viewport.  I used Dove soap on the viewport interior prior to
> >>>>    taking off
> >>>>    but because of the humidity , temperature and duration of the
> >>>>    dive, this
> >>>>    treatment did not last and I did not have more soap on board.
>  The other
> >>>>    issue is I only had two hand towels on board and these became
> >>>>    soaked with
> >>>>    sweat.  As such, they were not good for cleaning the condensation
> >>>>    off after
> >>>>    the two hour tow to the dive site.  Action items:  Have small
> >>>>    bottle of
> >>>>    Dove soap on board and more towels for future long duration dives.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Yes, I have been reading up on peltier coolers.  I have quite a
> >>>>    bit of
> >>>>    battery capacity so this could work.  Unfortunately, mounting on
> >>>>    hull won't
> >>>>    work for me as I have syntactic foam under the FRP shell over the
> >>>>    hull so I
> >>>>    don't have a cool surface to mount on.  I do have a pair of
> >>>>    plugged off
> >>>>    ports on the bottom of the boat that would give me access to
> >>>>    cooling water
> >>>>    source if I installed a small pump on this circuit.  Pushing this
> >>>>    water
> >>>>    through a small fin-fan cooler like you would see on water cooled
> >>>>    motorcycle would help with the temperature some what but not
> >>>>    humidity.   At
> >>>>    Islamorada, the average water temperature at the time of the dive
> >>>>    was about
> >>>>    87F so this would not have helped all that much.  A small DC AC
> >>>>    system that
> >>>>    controlled both temperature and humidity would be better.
> >>>>
> >>>>    On the thruster pneumatic pressure compensation, I was very happy
> >>>>    with how
> >>>>    this worked.  I have all four of my thrusters connected to 1/4"
> >>>>    SS tubing
> >>>>    that is manifold into a single pressure reducing/relieving
> regulator
> >>>>    (thanks Hugh)  under the cover just aft of the pilot. I was not
> >>>>    sure if a
> >>>>    single regulator would work or if I would need one for each
> >>>>    thruster but it
> >>>>    looks like one was adequate.  I have had two deep dives with the
> >>>>    arrangement, one to 155 ft and one to 100 ft and have had no
> >>>>    issues with
> >>>>    water in the thrusters.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Best Regards
> >>>>
> >>>>    Cliff
> >>>>
> >>>>    On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <
> >>>>    personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    > Thanks Cliff,
> >>>>    > I presume you shot some footage from your sub & this is the
> entr?e!
> >>>>    > Nice & clear, you must have been pretty happy down there!
> >>>>    > After you mentioned air conditioning, I looked into peltier
> >>>>    elements &
> >>>>    > air conditioning units. The peltier conditioners have only 25%
> the
> >>>>    > efficiency
> >>>>    > of a normal compression cycle system, but are really small & by
> >>>>    reversing
> >>>>    > the polarity can act as heaters. A few of those peltier
> >>>>    elements stuck to
> >>>>    > the hull
> >>>>    > with air channelled past them might be the way to go! Not sure
> what
> >>>>    > batteries you
> >>>>    > are using, but the new battery technologies on the way will
> >>>>    make energy
> >>>>    > expenditure less of an issue!
> >>>>    > Do you have all 4 motors exhausting through one regulator?
> >>>>    Couldn't see
> >>>>    > any
> >>>>    > air coming out of the motor seals so the pressure isn't
> >>>>    building up too
> >>>>    > much
> >>>>    > when exhausting.
> >>>>    > Cheers Alan
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    > Sent from my iPad
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    > On 9/08/2017, at 8:25 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <
> >>>>    > personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    > Added two quick and dirty Youtube videos from 2017 Psubs
> >>>>    Regatta.  The
> >>>>    > first is the 100 ft dive 5.3 miles offshore on Aug 3
> >>>>    > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHqL49V0lMw
> >>>>    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHqL49V0lMw> and the second is a
> >>>>    night
> >>>>    > dive in front of Doug's house
> >>>>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDBw1ZOdKaI
> >>>>    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDBw1ZOdKaI>.
> >>>>    > Alec is working on a more comprehensive video of the Regatta.
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    > Regards
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    > Cliff
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Douglas Suhr via
> >>>>    Personal_Submersibles <
> >>>>    > personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
> >>>>    >
> >>>>    >> Greetings PSUBS group, Douglas Suhr here to share my take on
> >>>>    the 4-day
> >>>>    >> sub operation we just completed in Islamorada, FL (July 31st,
> >>>>    August
> >>>>    >> 1-3).
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> Wow, what a whirlwind! So July 31st was really an arrival /
> >>>>    setup day
> >>>>    >> with August 1-3 being true operational days. Though it was
> >>>>    unfortunate
> >>>>    >> that Alec wasn't able to make it with Shackleton, we had our
> hands
> >>>>    >> full with Cliff's R-300. Without Shackleton, we also had
> >>>>    enough time
> >>>>    >> to get Snoopy set up and lowered into the canal for some basic
> >>>>    diving.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> List of Crew: Dan Lance, Steve McQueen, Cliff Redus, Rick
> Maxwell,
> >>>>    >> River Dolfi, Mike Patterson, Doug, Sarah, Douglas Suhr.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> This was my first time meeting Dan Lance, a (retired)
> >>>>    saturation diver
> >>>>    >> and commercial welder. What a pleasure to have him join us on
> this
> >>>>    >> operation. Dan is modest, but most willing to share his
> >>>>    knowledge and
> >>>>    >> extensive experience with a newbie like me. So pleased to have
> >>>>    chatted
> >>>>    >> with him in the Keys. During the towing of the R-300, Dan
> >>>>    manned the
> >>>>    >> tow line and helped with comms.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> Steve McQueen and River Dolfi did awesome jobs as our frog men.
> >>>>    >> Filming, attaching / detaching davit and tow lines, etc. they
> were
> >>>>    >> both in and out of the water quite a bit (especially Steve). I
> >>>>    think
> >>>>    >> River took a little jelly sting for the team. What troopers!
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> Cliff and his assistant Rick are such a joy be around. Rick is
> >>>>    one of
> >>>>    >> the friendliest people you'll ever meet (and even brought a
> >>>>    gift for
> >>>>    >> the group: a watermelon, straight from Texas!). Cliff is always
> >>>>    >> willing to share his expertise (and sub, too) with anyone
> >>>>    who'd like
> >>>>    >> to learn more. I know that between Dan Lance and Cliff, I
> >>>>    learned more
> >>>>    >> than I can remember last week.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> Mike Patterson, mom, dad and myself were all just providing
> >>>>    whatever
> >>>>    >> kind of "troop support" we could to Cliff and the R-300.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> River, Steve and Myself got in some dive time on Snoopy in the
> >>>>    canal
> >>>>    >> (which was great), but I think the biggest accomplishment was
> >>>>    getting
> >>>>    >> the R-300 out a ways into the ocean.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> Our Boston Whaler (a 25' boat with a single 250hp Yamaha) was
> >>>>    able to
> >>>>    >> tow the R-300 out about 5 miles into the ocean (at about 4mph).
> We
> >>>>    >> were in radio communication with Cliff most of the time,
> >>>>    though we did
> >>>>    >> suffer a few intermittent losses in comms. When we got to a
> >>>>    spot about
> >>>>    >> 100 feet deep, we started to slow down a bit and at that point
> >>>>    the tow
> >>>>    >> line hook (an admittedly cheap thing) let loose(!) so we
> >>>>    decided that
> >>>>    >> we had reached our dive location. We switched from marine
> >>>>    radio to OTS
> >>>>    >> and Cliff started down. Visibility was supurb! As Cliff neared
> the
> >>>>    >> bottom at 100 ? 110 feet, he was still quite visible from the
> >>>>    Whaler!
> >>>>    >> His 18 foot long R-300 looked to be about 3 inches long, but
> >>>>    wow did
> >>>>    >> it ever stand out from the rest of the sandy bottom. Cliff
> >>>>    spent about
> >>>>    >> an hour "flying" his sub, surfacing, diving and maneuvering
> about,
> >>>>    >> testing systems and observing the ocean around him. By the
> >>>>    time Cliff
> >>>>    >> surfaced and we towed back to port Antigua, elapsed time stood
> >>>>    at 4.5
> >>>>    >> / 5 hours (estimate). Cliff said that he stayed cool by the
> water
> >>>>    >> flowing over the sub's dome hatch while in tow. Upon returning
> >>>>    I think
> >>>>    >> we were all ready to take a break, but everyone felt great
> >>>>    >> accomplishment with the mission.
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> A couple of lessons I took away from the tow out: We need
> >>>>    better tow
> >>>>    >> equipment (better line, hardware and maybe a quick release).
> >>>>    Our boat
> >>>>    >> REALLY needs a GPS (still don't have one). Towing into waves
> >>>>    isn't so
> >>>>    >> much a problem, but when towing with the waves, our tow line
> >>>>    needs to
> >>>>    >> be measured so as to sustain the proper distance between tow
> >>>>    vessel
> >>>>    >> and sub (otherwise the sub and boat are constantly slacking
> >>>>    and then
> >>>>    >> jerking, stressing the tow line and making it difficult for
> >>>>    boat and
> >>>>    >> sub to track straight).
> >>>>    >>
> >>>>    >> The devotion of our crew was amazing, even in the heat and the
> >>>>    waves
> >>>>    >> everyone did their jobs. Managing even a small sub operation
> >>>>    like this
> >>>>    >> is more work / effort than meets the eye, that's for sure. At
> >>>>    dinner,
> >>>>    >> one of the main discussions revolved around a support vessel
> >>>>    that can
> >>>>    >> carry a sub or two on board, eliminating the slow, time
> >>>>    consuming tow
> >>>>    >> out to an ocean dive site. Dan Lance shared details on his
> support
> >>>>    >> vessel project, which is no doubt going to be a dream in terms
> of
> >>>>    >> logistics. Hopefully when said vessel is ready to sail, Dan
> >>>>    will lend
> >>>>    >> its services to host a diving event! ~ Douglas S.
> >>>>    >>
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> >>>>    Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:46:22 +0000 (UTC)
> >>>>    From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> >>>>    To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> >>>>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Islamorada Trip Report...
> >>>>    Message-ID: <1907666847.421009.1502293582178 at mail.yahoo.com
> >>>>    <mailto:1907666847.421009.1502293582178 at mail.yahoo.com>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>    Hi Cliff,
> >>>>    Congrats on your dives. Sub really looks great in those videos.
> >>>>    With regards to an AC solution, one low tech method would be to
> >>>>    blow air across ice in a small cooler. Water ice can be super
> >>>>    cooled with Dry Ice the night before. Dry ice is about - 100 F
> >>>>    and water ice cooled to this temperature should stay cold for
> >>>>    quite some time.
> >>>>    Greg C      From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> >>>>    To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
> >>>>    Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 9:05 AM
> >>>>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Islamorada Trip Report...
> >>>>
> >>>>    Footage from my sub on the trip is limited due to condensation on
> >>>>    viewport.? I used Dove soap on the viewport interior?prior to
> >>>>    taking off but because of the humidity , temperature and duration
> >>>>    of the dive, this treatment did not last and I did not have more
> >>>>    soap on board.? The other issue is I only had two hand towels on
> >>>>    board and these became soaked with sweat.? As such, they were not
> >>>>    good for cleaning the condensation off?after the two hour tow to
> >>>>    the dive site.? Action items:? Have small bottle of Dove soap on
> >>>>    board and more towels for future long duration dives.?
> >>>>    Yes, I have been reading up on peltier coolers.? I have quite a
> >>>>    bit of battery capacity so this could work.? Unfortunately,
> >>>>    mounting on hull won't work for me as I have syntactic foam under
> >>>>    the FRP shell over the hull so I don't have a cool surface to
> >>>>    mount on.? I do have a pair of plugged off ports on the bottom of
> >>>>    the boat that would give me access to cooling water source if I
> >>>>    installed a small pump on this circuit.? Pushing this water
> >>>>    through a small fin-fan cooler like you would see on?water cooled
> >>>>    motorcycle would help with the temperature some what but
> >>>>    not?humidity.? ?At Islamorada, the average water temperature at
> >>>>    the time of the dive was about 87F so this would not have helped
> >>>>    all that much.? A small DC AC system that controlled both
> >>>>    temperature and humidity would be better.
> >>>>    On the thruster pneumatic pressure compensation, I was very happy
> >>>>    with how this worked.? I have all four of my thrusters connected
> >>>>    to 1/4" SS tubing that is manifold into a single pressure
> >>>>    reducing/relieving regulator (thanks Hugh) ?under the cover just
> >>>>    aft of the pilot.?I was not sure if a single regulator would work
> >>>>    or if I would need one for each thruster but it looks like one
> >>>>    was adequate.? I have had two deep dives with the arrangement,
> >>>>    one to 155 ft and one to 100 ft and have had no issues with water
> >>>>    in the thrusters.
> >>>>    Best Regards
> >>>>    Cliff
> >>>>    On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> >>>>    <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    Thanks Cliff,I presume you shot some footage from your sub & this
> >>>>    is the entr?e!Nice & clear, you must have been pretty happy down
> >>>>    there!After you mentioned air conditioning, I looked into peltier
> >>>>    elements &air conditioning units. The peltier conditioners have
> >>>>    only 25% the efficiency?of a normal compression cycle system, but
> >>>>    are really small & by reversingthe polarity can act as heaters. A
> >>>>    few of those peltier elements stuck to the hull?with air
> >>>>    channelled past them might be the way to go! Not sure what
> >>>>    batteries youare using, but the new battery technologies on the
> >>>>    way will make energyexpenditure less of an issue!Do you have all
> >>>>    4 motors exhausting through one regulator? Couldn't see any?air
> >>>>    coming out of the motor seals so the pressure isn't building up
> >>>>    too muchwhen exhausting.Cheers Alan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    Sent from my iPad
> >>>>    On 9/08/2017, at 8:25 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
> >>>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    Added two quick and dirty Youtube videos from 2017 Psubs
> >>>>    Regatta.? The first is the 100 ft dive 5.3 miles offshore on Aug
> >>>>    3??https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=sHqL49V0lMw?and the second is
> >>>>    a night dive in front of Doug's house??https://www.youtube.
> >>>>    com/watch?v=KDBw1ZOdKaI.? Alec is working on a more comprehensive
> >>>>    video of the Regatta.
> >>>>    Regards
> >>>>    Cliff
> >>>>    On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Douglas Suhr via
> >>>>    Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>    Greetings PSUBS group, Douglas Suhr here to share my take on the
> >>>>    4-day
> >>>>    sub operation we just completed in Islamorada, FL (July 31st,
> August
> >>>>    1-3).
> >>>>
> >>>>    Wow, what a whirlwind! So July 31st was really an arrival / setup
> day
> >>>>    with August 1-3 being true operational days. Though it was
> >>>>    unfortunate
> >>>>    that Alec wasn't able to make it with Shackleton, we had our hands
> >>>>    full with Cliff's R-300. Without Shackleton, we also had enough
> time
> >>>>    to get Snoopy set up and lowered into the canal for some basic
> >>>>    diving.
> >>>>
> >>>>    List of Crew: Dan Lance, Steve McQueen, Cliff Redus, Rick Maxwell,
> >>>>    River Dolfi, Mike Patterson, Doug, Sarah, Douglas Suhr.
> >>>>
> >>>>    This was my first time meeting Dan Lance, a (retired) saturation
> >>>>    diver
> >>>>    and commercial welder. What a pleasure to have him join us on this
> >>>>    operation. Dan is modest, but most willing to share his knowledge
> and
> >>>>    extensive experience with a newbie like me. So pleased to have
> >>>>    chatted
> >>>>    with him in the Keys. During the towing of the R-300, Dan manned
> the
> >>>>    tow line and helped with comms.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Steve McQueen and River Dolfi did awesome jobs as our frog men.
> >>>>    Filming, attaching / detaching davit and tow lines, etc. they were
> >>>>    both in and out of the water quite a bit (especially Steve). I
> think
> >>>>    River took a little jelly sting for the team. What troopers!
> >>>>
> >>>>    Cliff and his assistant Rick are such a joy be around. Rick is one
> of
> >>>>    the friendliest people you'll ever meet (and even brought a gift
> for
> >>>>    the group: a watermelon, straight from Texas!). Cliff is always
> >>>>    willing to share his expertise (and sub, too) with anyone who'd
> like
> >>>>    to learn more. I know that between Dan Lance and Cliff, I learned
> >>>>    more
> >>>>    than I can remember last week.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Mike Patterson, mom, dad and myself were all just providing
> whatever
> >>>>    kind of "troop support" we could to Cliff and the R-300.
> >>>>
> >>>>    River, Steve and Myself got in some dive time on Snoopy in the
> canal
> >>>>    (which was great), but I think the biggest accomplishment was
> getting
> >>>>    the R-300 out a ways into the ocean.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Our Boston Whaler (a 25' boat with a single 250hp Yamaha) was able
> to
> >>>>    tow the R-300 out about 5 miles into the ocean (at about 4mph). We
> >>>>    were in radio communication with Cliff most of the time, though
> >>>>    we did
> >>>>    suffer a few intermittent losses in comms. When we got to a spot
> >>>>    about
> >>>>    100 feet deep, we started to slow down a bit and at that point
> >>>>    the tow
> >>>>    line hook (an admittedly cheap thing) let loose(!) so we decided
> that
> >>>>    we had reached our dive location. We switched from marine radio
> >>>>    to OTS
> >>>>    and Cliff started down. Visibility was supurb! As Cliff neared the
> >>>>    bottom at 100 ? 110 feet, he was still quite visible from the
> Whaler!
> >>>>    His 18 foot long R-300 looked to be about 3 inches long, but wow
> did
> >>>>    it ever stand out from the rest of the sandy bottom. Cliff spent
> >>>>    about
> >>>>    an hour "flying" his sub, surfacing, diving and maneuvering about,
> >>>>    testing systems and observing the ocean around him. By the time
> Cliff
> >>>>    surfaced and we towed back to port Antigua, elapsed time stood at
> 4.5
> >>>>    / 5 hours (estimate). Cliff said that he stayed cool by the water
> >>>>    flowing over the sub's dome hatch while in tow. Upon returning I
> >>>>    think
> >>>>    we were all ready to take a break, but everyone felt great
> >>>>    accomplishment with the mission.
> >>>>
> >>>>    A couple of lessons I took away from the tow out: We need better
> tow
> >>>>    equipment (better line, hardware and maybe a quick release). Our
> boat
> >>>>    REALLY needs a GPS (still don't have one). Towing into waves isn't
> so
> >>>>    much a problem, but when towing with the waves, our tow line needs
> to
> >>>>    be measured so as to sustain the proper distance between tow vessel
> >>>>    and sub (otherwise the sub and boat are constantly slacking and
> then
> >>>>    jerking, stressing the tow line and making it difficult for boat
> and
> >>>>    sub to track straight).
> >>>>
> >>>>    The devotion of our crew was amazing, even in the heat and the
> waves
> >>>>    everyone did their jobs. Managing even a small sub operation like
> >>>>    this
> >>>>    is more work / effort than meets the eye, that's for sure. At
> dinner,
> >>>>    one of the main discussions revolved around a support vessel that
> can
> >>>>    carry a sub or two on board, eliminating the slow, time consuming
> tow
> >>>>    out to an ocean dive site. Dan Lance shared details on his support
> >>>>    vessel project, which is no doubt going to be a dream in terms of
> >>>>    logistics. Hopefully when said vessel is ready to sail, Dan will
> lend
> >>>>    its services to host a diving event! ~ Douglas S.
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