[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 50, Issue 19

Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Wed Aug 9 22:01:02 EDT 2017


Right - that will work fine with a metal hull!

Best,
Marc

On 8/10/2017 9:33 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
> Mark,
> you don't need any through hulls, just glue them on to your hull with
> a heat transfer compound. The heat will go through the hull to the surrounding
> water but will also radiate laterally through the metal; hence my suggestion
> to insulate around the area a bit so that the cold or heat can't come back in to
> the hull.
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 10/08/2017, at 1:19 PM, Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Peltier modules ARE more efficient than resistive heaters because they are true heat pumps - they don't supply (all) the heat that they emit on the hot side. In fact, they are more efficient as heaters than as coolers. That said, using them is a lot more difficult than using resistors, because they have to be connected on one side to a heat source and on the other to the area you want heated. In a sub, that sounds like you need another penetration in your pressure hull, which I would not be interested in if it were mine.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>> On 8/10/2017 8:14 AM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> Resistive heating being about as close as you can get to 100%, I would be sceptical about that. I've experimented with Peltier modules for gas cooling and they were quite disappointing in performance, although wonderfully simple in operation.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve
>>> On 10 Aug 2017 8:33 am, "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>     Just did some Googling on the Peltier as a heater.
>>>     In an experiment I saw it was more efficient than resistive heating!
>>>     This depends to an extent on the ambient heat differential.
>>>     I would imagine you would need to attach them to the hull & surround
>>>     them
>>>     with an insulating material to stop the metal of the hull radiating back
>>>     the cold or heat produced, & force it to transfer it all to the water.
>>>     Another bunny trail to investigate.
>>>     Cheers Alan
>>>     Sent from my iPad
>>>     On 10/08/2017, at 9:18 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles
>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>     Mike,
>>>>     the peltier is only 1/4 to 1/3 as efficient as a compressor
>>>>     system, but Cliff
>>>>     & I have very little spare room. They serve as heaters by
>>>>     reversing polarity.
>>>>     I am not sure of their efficiency as heaters compared with
>>>>     resistive coils;
>>>>     probably poor!  Cliff would have to cut a hole in his fibreglass
>>>>     outer & dig back
>>>>     the syntactic foam to the pressure hull to get cooling on the
>>>>     reverse side of
>>>>     the peltier or compressor air conditioning unit. Could look sexy
>>>>     if he put some
>>>>     shark gills in it for water ingress.
>>>>     Cliff didn't have a cover on the dome, & that would let a lot of
>>>>     heat in.
>>>>     We had a wet towel on Snoopy last time at Islamorada.
>>>>     Have heard that people like Nuytco use a shore based air
>>>>     conditioner to cool
>>>>     the sub down prior to a dive; but I don't know how long that
>>>>     benefit would
>>>>     last being towed out that distance.
>>>>     Cheers Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>     On 10/08/2017, at 6:25 AM, peaceroom via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     Reference,summer submarine cooling. A scaled down version of the
>>>>>     small cooler with ice and DC fan, similar to the one in Sportys,
>>>>>     aviation supplies is what a lot of planes use. Just an
>>>>>     inexpensive idea. Peltier coolers provide very little cooling
>>>>>     versus DC current used. Mike Patterson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from my Samsung device
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>     Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>        1. Re: Islamorada Trip Report...
>>>>>           (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles)
>>>>>        2. Re: Islamorada Trip Report...
>>>>>           (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>     Message: 1
>>>>>     Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 08:03:07 -0500
>>>>>     From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
>>>>>     To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
>>>>>     Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Islamorada Trip Report...
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>>>>>
>>>>>     Footage from my sub on the trip is limited due to condensation on
>>>>>     viewport.  I used Dove soap on the viewport interior prior to
>>>>>     taking off
>>>>>     but because of the humidity , temperature and duration of the
>>>>>     dive, this
>>>>>     treatment did not last and I did not have more soap on board.     The other
>>>>>     issue is I only had two hand towels on board and these became
>>>>>     soaked with
>>>>>     sweat.  As such, they were not good for cleaning the condensation
>>>>>     off after
>>>>>     the two hour tow to the dive site.  Action items:  Have small
>>>>>     bottle of
>>>>>     Dove soap on board and more towels for future long duration dives.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes, I have been reading up on peltier coolers.  I have quite a
>>>>>     bit of
>>>>>     battery capacity so this could work.  Unfortunately, mounting on
>>>>>     hull won't
>>>>>     work for me as I have syntactic foam under the FRP shell over the
>>>>>     hull so I
>>>>>     don't have a cool surface to mount on.  I do have a pair of
>>>>>     plugged off
>>>>>     ports on the bottom of the boat that would give me access to
>>>>>     cooling water
>>>>>     source if I installed a small pump on this circuit.  Pushing this
>>>>>     water
>>>>>     through a small fin-fan cooler like you would see on water cooled
>>>>>     motorcycle would help with the temperature some what but not
>>>>>     humidity.   At
>>>>>     Islamorada, the average water temperature at the time of the dive
>>>>>     was about
>>>>>     87F so this would not have helped all that much.  A small DC AC
>>>>>     system that
>>>>>     controlled both temperature and humidity would be better.
>>>>>
>>>>>     On the thruster pneumatic pressure compensation, I was very happy
>>>>>     with how
>>>>>     this worked.  I have all four of my thrusters connected to 1/4"
>>>>>     SS tubing
>>>>>     that is manifold into a single pressure reducing/relieving regulator
>>>>>     (thanks Hugh)  under the cover just aft of the pilot. I was not
>>>>>     sure if a
>>>>>     single regulator would work or if I would need one for each
>>>>>     thruster but it
>>>>>     looks like one was adequate.  I have had two deep dives with the
>>>>>     arrangement, one to 155 ft and one to 100 ft and have had no
>>>>>     issues with
>>>>>     water in the thrusters.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Best Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>     Cliff
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <
>>>>>     personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     > Thanks Cliff,
>>>>>     > I presume you shot some footage from your sub & this is the entr?e!
>>>>>     > Nice & clear, you must have been pretty happy down there!
>>>>>     > After you mentioned air conditioning, I looked into peltier
>>>>>     elements &
>>>>>     > air conditioning units. The peltier conditioners have only 25% the
>>>>>     > efficiency
>>>>>     > of a normal compression cycle system, but are really small & by
>>>>>     reversing
>>>>>     > the polarity can act as heaters. A few of those peltier
>>>>>     elements stuck to
>>>>>     > the hull
>>>>>     > with air channelled past them might be the way to go! Not sure what
>>>>>     > batteries you
>>>>>     > are using, but the new battery technologies on the way will
>>>>>     make energy
>>>>>     > expenditure less of an issue!
>>>>>     > Do you have all 4 motors exhausting through one regulator?
>>>>>     Couldn't see
>>>>>     > any
>>>>>     > air coming out of the motor seals so the pressure isn't
>>>>>     building up too
>>>>>     > much
>>>>>     > when exhausting.
>>>>>     > Cheers Alan
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Sent from my iPad
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > On 9/08/2017, at 8:25 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <
>>>>>     > personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Added two quick and dirty Youtube videos from 2017 Psubs
>>>>>     Regatta.  The
>>>>>     > first is the 100 ft dive 5.3 miles offshore on Aug 3
>>>>>     > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHqL49V0lMw
>>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHqL49V0lMw> and the second is a
>>>>>     night
>>>>>     > dive in front of Doug's house
>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDBw1ZOdKaI
>>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDBw1ZOdKaI>.
>>>>>     > Alec is working on a more comprehensive video of the Regatta.
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Regards
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > Cliff
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Douglas Suhr via
>>>>>     Personal_Submersibles <
>>>>>     > personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>>     >
>>>>>     >> Greetings PSUBS group, Douglas Suhr here to share my take on
>>>>>     the 4-day
>>>>>     >> sub operation we just completed in Islamorada, FL (July 31st,
>>>>>     August
>>>>>     >> 1-3).
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> Wow, what a whirlwind! So July 31st was really an arrival /
>>>>>     setup day
>>>>>     >> with August 1-3 being true operational days. Though it was
>>>>>     unfortunate
>>>>>     >> that Alec wasn't able to make it with Shackleton, we had our hands
>>>>>     >> full with Cliff's R-300. Without Shackleton, we also had
>>>>>     enough time
>>>>>     >> to get Snoopy set up and lowered into the canal for some basic
>>>>>     diving.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> List of Crew: Dan Lance, Steve McQueen, Cliff Redus, Rick Maxwell,
>>>>>     >> River Dolfi, Mike Patterson, Doug, Sarah, Douglas Suhr.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> This was my first time meeting Dan Lance, a (retired)
>>>>>     saturation diver
>>>>>     >> and commercial welder. What a pleasure to have him join us on this
>>>>>     >> operation. Dan is modest, but most willing to share his
>>>>>     knowledge and
>>>>>     >> extensive experience with a newbie like me. So pleased to have
>>>>>     chatted
>>>>>     >> with him in the Keys. During the towing of the R-300, Dan
>>>>>     manned the
>>>>>     >> tow line and helped with comms.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> Steve McQueen and River Dolfi did awesome jobs as our frog men.
>>>>>     >> Filming, attaching / detaching davit and tow lines, etc. they were
>>>>>     >> both in and out of the water quite a bit (especially Steve). I
>>>>>     think
>>>>>     >> River took a little jelly sting for the team. What troopers!
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> Cliff and his assistant Rick are such a joy be around. Rick is
>>>>>     one of
>>>>>     >> the friendliest people you'll ever meet (and even brought a
>>>>>     gift for
>>>>>     >> the group: a watermelon, straight from Texas!). Cliff is always
>>>>>     >> willing to share his expertise (and sub, too) with anyone
>>>>>     who'd like
>>>>>     >> to learn more. I know that between Dan Lance and Cliff, I
>>>>>     learned more
>>>>>     >> than I can remember last week.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> Mike Patterson, mom, dad and myself were all just providing
>>>>>     whatever
>>>>>     >> kind of "troop support" we could to Cliff and the R-300.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> River, Steve and Myself got in some dive time on Snoopy in the
>>>>>     canal
>>>>>     >> (which was great), but I think the biggest accomplishment was
>>>>>     getting
>>>>>     >> the R-300 out a ways into the ocean.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> Our Boston Whaler (a 25' boat with a single 250hp Yamaha) was
>>>>>     able to
>>>>>     >> tow the R-300 out about 5 miles into the ocean (at about 4mph). We
>>>>>     >> were in radio communication with Cliff most of the time,
>>>>>     though we did
>>>>>     >> suffer a few intermittent losses in comms. When we got to a
>>>>>     spot about
>>>>>     >> 100 feet deep, we started to slow down a bit and at that point
>>>>>     the tow
>>>>>     >> line hook (an admittedly cheap thing) let loose(!) so we
>>>>>     decided that
>>>>>     >> we had reached our dive location. We switched from marine
>>>>>     radio to OTS
>>>>>     >> and Cliff started down. Visibility was supurb! As Cliff neared the
>>>>>     >> bottom at 100 ? 110 feet, he was still quite visible from the
>>>>>     Whaler!
>>>>>     >> His 18 foot long R-300 looked to be about 3 inches long, but
>>>>>     wow did
>>>>>     >> it ever stand out from the rest of the sandy bottom. Cliff
>>>>>     spent about
>>>>>     >> an hour "flying" his sub, surfacing, diving and maneuvering about,
>>>>>     >> testing systems and observing the ocean around him. By the
>>>>>     time Cliff
>>>>>     >> surfaced and we towed back to port Antigua, elapsed time stood
>>>>>     at 4.5
>>>>>     >> / 5 hours (estimate). Cliff said that he stayed cool by the water
>>>>>     >> flowing over the sub's dome hatch while in tow. Upon returning
>>>>>     I think
>>>>>     >> we were all ready to take a break, but everyone felt great
>>>>>     >> accomplishment with the mission.
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> A couple of lessons I took away from the tow out: We need
>>>>>     better tow
>>>>>     >> equipment (better line, hardware and maybe a quick release).
>>>>>     Our boat
>>>>>     >> REALLY needs a GPS (still don't have one). Towing into waves
>>>>>     isn't so
>>>>>     >> much a problem, but when towing with the waves, our tow line
>>>>>     needs to
>>>>>     >> be measured so as to sustain the proper distance between tow
>>>>>     vessel
>>>>>     >> and sub (otherwise the sub and boat are constantly slacking
>>>>>     and then
>>>>>     >> jerking, stressing the tow line and making it difficult for
>>>>>     boat and
>>>>>     >> sub to track straight).
>>>>>     >>
>>>>>     >> The devotion of our crew was amazing, even in the heat and the
>>>>>     waves
>>>>>     >> everyone did their jobs. Managing even a small sub operation
>>>>>     like this
>>>>>     >> is more work / effort than meets the eye, that's for sure. At
>>>>>     dinner,
>>>>>     >> one of the main discussions revolved around a support vessel
>>>>>     that can
>>>>>     >> carry a sub or two on board, eliminating the slow, time
>>>>>     consuming tow
>>>>>     >> out to an ocean dive site. Dan Lance shared details on his support
>>>>>     >> vessel project, which is no doubt going to be a dream in terms of
>>>>>     >> logistics. Hopefully when said vessel is ready to sail, Dan
>>>>>     will lend
>>>>>     >> its services to host a diving event! ~ Douglas S.
>>>>>     >>
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>>>>>     Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:46:22 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>>     From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
>>>>>     To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
>>>>>     Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Islamorada Trip Report...
>>>>>     Message-ID: <1907666847.421009.1502293582178 at mail.yahoo.com
>>>>>     <mailto:1907666847.421009.1502293582178 at mail.yahoo.com>>
>>>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Cliff,
>>>>>     Congrats on your dives. Sub really looks great in those videos.
>>>>>     With regards to an AC solution, one low tech method would be to
>>>>>     blow air across ice in a small cooler. Water ice can be super
>>>>>     cooled with Dry Ice the night before. Dry ice is about - 100 F
>>>>>     and water ice cooled to this temperature should stay cold for
>>>>>     quite some time.
>>>>>     Greg C      From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
>>>>>     To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>>
>>>>>     Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 9:05 AM
>>>>>     Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Islamorada Trip Report...
>>>>>
>>>>>     Footage from my sub on the trip is limited due to condensation on
>>>>>     viewport.? I used Dove soap on the viewport interior?prior to
>>>>>     taking off but because of the humidity , temperature and duration
>>>>>     of the dive, this treatment did not last and I did not have more
>>>>>     soap on board.? The other issue is I only had two hand towels on
>>>>>     board and these became soaked with sweat.? As such, they were not
>>>>>     good for cleaning the condensation off?after the two hour tow to
>>>>>     the dive site.? Action items:? Have small bottle of Dove soap on
>>>>>     board and more towels for future long duration dives.?
>>>>>     Yes, I have been reading up on peltier coolers.? I have quite a
>>>>>     bit of battery capacity so this could work.? Unfortunately,
>>>>>     mounting on hull won't work for me as I have syntactic foam under
>>>>>     the FRP shell over the hull so I don't have a cool surface to
>>>>>     mount on.? I do have a pair of plugged off ports on the bottom of
>>>>>     the boat that would give me access to cooling water source if I
>>>>>     installed a small pump on this circuit.? Pushing this water
>>>>>     through a small fin-fan cooler like you would see on?water cooled
>>>>>     motorcycle would help with the temperature some what but
>>>>>     not?humidity.? ?At Islamorada, the average water temperature at
>>>>>     the time of the dive was about 87F so this would not have helped
>>>>>     all that much.? A small DC AC system that controlled both
>>>>>     temperature and humidity would be better.
>>>>>     On the thruster pneumatic pressure compensation, I was very happy
>>>>>     with how this worked.? I have all four of my thrusters connected
>>>>>     to 1/4" SS tubing that is manifold into a single pressure
>>>>>     reducing/relieving regulator (thanks Hugh) ?under the cover just
>>>>>     aft of the pilot.?I was not sure if a single regulator would work
>>>>>     or if I would need one for each thruster but it looks like one
>>>>>     was adequate.? I have had two deep dives with the arrangement,
>>>>>     one to 155 ft and one to 100 ft and have had no issues with water
>>>>>     in the thrusters.
>>>>>     Best Regards
>>>>>     Cliff
>>>>>     On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>>>>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks Cliff,I presume you shot some footage from your sub & this
>>>>>     is the entr?e!Nice & clear, you must have been pretty happy down
>>>>>     there!After you mentioned air conditioning, I looked into peltier
>>>>>     elements &air conditioning units. The peltier conditioners have
>>>>>     only 25% the efficiency?of a normal compression cycle system, but
>>>>>     are really small & by reversingthe polarity can act as heaters. A
>>>>>     few of those peltier elements stuck to the hull?with air
>>>>>     channelled past them might be the way to go! Not sure what
>>>>>     batteries youare using, but the new battery technologies on the
>>>>>     way will make energyexpenditure less of an issue!Do you have all
>>>>>     4 motors exhausting through one regulator? Couldn't see any?air
>>>>>     coming out of the motor seals so the pressure isn't building up
>>>>>     too muchwhen exhausting.Cheers Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from my iPad
>>>>>     On 9/08/2017, at 8:25 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
>>>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Added two quick and dirty Youtube videos from 2017 Psubs
>>>>>     Regatta.? The first is the 100 ft dive 5.3 miles offshore on Aug
>>>>>     3??https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=sHqL49V0lMw?and the second is
>>>>>     a night dive in front of Doug's house??https://www.youtube.
>>>>>     com/watch?v=KDBw1ZOdKaI.? Alec is working on a more comprehensive
>>>>>     video of the Regatta.
>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>     Cliff
>>>>>     On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Douglas Suhr via
>>>>>     Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Greetings PSUBS group, Douglas Suhr here to share my take on the
>>>>>     4-day
>>>>>     sub operation we just completed in Islamorada, FL (July 31st, August
>>>>>     1-3).
>>>>>
>>>>>     Wow, what a whirlwind! So July 31st was really an arrival / setup day
>>>>>     with August 1-3 being true operational days. Though it was
>>>>>     unfortunate
>>>>>     that Alec wasn't able to make it with Shackleton, we had our hands
>>>>>     full with Cliff's R-300. Without Shackleton, we also had enough time
>>>>>     to get Snoopy set up and lowered into the canal for some basic
>>>>>     diving.
>>>>>
>>>>>     List of Crew: Dan Lance, Steve McQueen, Cliff Redus, Rick Maxwell,
>>>>>     River Dolfi, Mike Patterson, Doug, Sarah, Douglas Suhr.
>>>>>
>>>>>     This was my first time meeting Dan Lance, a (retired) saturation
>>>>>     diver
>>>>>     and commercial welder. What a pleasure to have him join us on this
>>>>>     operation. Dan is modest, but most willing to share his knowledge and
>>>>>     extensive experience with a newbie like me. So pleased to have
>>>>>     chatted
>>>>>     with him in the Keys. During the towing of the R-300, Dan manned the
>>>>>     tow line and helped with comms.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Steve McQueen and River Dolfi did awesome jobs as our frog men.
>>>>>     Filming, attaching / detaching davit and tow lines, etc. they were
>>>>>     both in and out of the water quite a bit (especially Steve). I think
>>>>>     River took a little jelly sting for the team. What troopers!
>>>>>
>>>>>     Cliff and his assistant Rick are such a joy be around. Rick is one of
>>>>>     the friendliest people you'll ever meet (and even brought a gift for
>>>>>     the group: a watermelon, straight from Texas!). Cliff is always
>>>>>     willing to share his expertise (and sub, too) with anyone who'd like
>>>>>     to learn more. I know that between Dan Lance and Cliff, I learned
>>>>>     more
>>>>>     than I can remember last week.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Mike Patterson, mom, dad and myself were all just providing whatever
>>>>>     kind of "troop support" we could to Cliff and the R-300.
>>>>>
>>>>>     River, Steve and Myself got in some dive time on Snoopy in the canal
>>>>>     (which was great), but I think the biggest accomplishment was getting
>>>>>     the R-300 out a ways into the ocean.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Our Boston Whaler (a 25' boat with a single 250hp Yamaha) was able to
>>>>>     tow the R-300 out about 5 miles into the ocean (at about 4mph). We
>>>>>     were in radio communication with Cliff most of the time, though
>>>>>     we did
>>>>>     suffer a few intermittent losses in comms. When we got to a spot
>>>>>     about
>>>>>     100 feet deep, we started to slow down a bit and at that point
>>>>>     the tow
>>>>>     line hook (an admittedly cheap thing) let loose(!) so we decided that
>>>>>     we had reached our dive location. We switched from marine radio
>>>>>     to OTS
>>>>>     and Cliff started down. Visibility was supurb! As Cliff neared the
>>>>>     bottom at 100 ? 110 feet, he was still quite visible from the Whaler!
>>>>>     His 18 foot long R-300 looked to be about 3 inches long, but wow did
>>>>>     it ever stand out from the rest of the sandy bottom. Cliff spent
>>>>>     about
>>>>>     an hour "flying" his sub, surfacing, diving and maneuvering about,
>>>>>     testing systems and observing the ocean around him. By the time Cliff
>>>>>     surfaced and we towed back to port Antigua, elapsed time stood at 4.5
>>>>>     / 5 hours (estimate). Cliff said that he stayed cool by the water
>>>>>     flowing over the sub's dome hatch while in tow. Upon returning I
>>>>>     think
>>>>>     we were all ready to take a break, but everyone felt great
>>>>>     accomplishment with the mission.
>>>>>
>>>>>     A couple of lessons I took away from the tow out: We need better tow
>>>>>     equipment (better line, hardware and maybe a quick release). Our boat
>>>>>     REALLY needs a GPS (still don't have one). Towing into waves isn't so
>>>>>     much a problem, but when towing with the waves, our tow line needs to
>>>>>     be measured so as to sustain the proper distance between tow vessel
>>>>>     and sub (otherwise the sub and boat are constantly slacking and then
>>>>>     jerking, stressing the tow line and making it difficult for boat and
>>>>>     sub to track straight).
>>>>>
>>>>>     The devotion of our crew was amazing, even in the heat and the waves
>>>>>     everyone did their jobs. Managing even a small sub operation like
>>>>>     this
>>>>>     is more work / effort than meets the eye, that's for sure. At dinner,
>>>>>     one of the main discussions revolved around a support vessel that can
>>>>>     carry a sub or two on board, eliminating the slow, time consuming tow
>>>>>     out to an ocean dive site. Dan Lance shared details on his support
>>>>>     vessel project, which is no doubt going to be a dream in terms of
>>>>>     logistics. Hopefully when said vessel is ready to sail, Dan will lend
>>>>>     its services to host a diving event! ~ Douglas S.
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