[PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
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Fri Aug 25 10:35:45 EDT 2017
David,
I talked with KISS rebreather and they are going to set up a coupon code to get the special pricing. He will get back with me on it here soon. The offer will only be good for about a month or so, then the pricing will be retail. The delivery time looks like 6 weeks. He is getting me dimensions and I will post them on the psubs forum soon.
Thank you,
Scott Waters
> -------Original Message-------
> From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
> Sent: Aug 24 '17 14:16
>
> Hi Scott,
> Are you taking orders or deposits for the unit. Any ideas as to the
> delivery schedule of the units? Any dimensions and or pictures would
> help for placement in the SeaQuestor would be helpful.
>
> Best Regards,
> David Colombo
>
> 804 College Ave
> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
> (707) 536-1424
> www.SeaQuestor.com
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> > Hank,
> >
> > I completely understand being so into the project a lot of "what
> > if" scenarios are never considered. That is one of the reasons, of
> > the 14 people that work on Pisces VI, one of them does nothing but
> > safety and writing the operations manual. The Pisces VI used a EBA
> > built by Drager called the Oxy-SR 30M. It is basically the same
> > thing KISS and Pisces developed except it only lasted 30 minutes,
> > did not have the ability to hook up comms, and costs more.
> >
> > The Pisces VI has a lot more safety devices built into her, most of
> > which are over kill for a Psub, but this is an area where I see most
> > of the psubs lacking (including my own KW350 "Trustworthy").
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Scott Waters
> >
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
> >
> >> Sent: Aug 24 '17 05:40
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >> I have to admit that I have not put so much thought into that
> >> scenario. I think because I (we) spend so much time and effort
> >> installing wiring with fuses and breakers that I have a false
> > sense of
> >> security where short circuits are concerned. I am glad you
> > brought it
> >> up and I am sure in the future you will be pointing out more
> > risk
> >> assessments. We are lucky to have you with us.
> >> What did Pisces VI have originally?
> >> Hank
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 11:22:46 PM MDT, via
> >> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I guess I should mention some other reasons why this unit is
> > worth it
> >> *It has a 3hr breath time
> >> *It can be hooked up to u/w comms to keep communications with
> > the
> >> surface while still breathing safe air
> >> *It is compact (unlike the BioMarine units that a lot of
> > submarines
> >> use for their EBAs)
> >> *Fully enclosed mask which makes donning way faster than a reg
> > and
> >> mask that most BIBS use
> >> *All parts are professionally built to the KISS standard. (If
> > you have
> >> ever dove a KISS rebreather you will know what I mean
> >>
> >> Probably one of the most important things I learned at my month
> > at sea
> >> with Woods Hole and the DSV Alvin is the importance of actually
> >> running realistic drills of emergency situations. This was made
> >> bluntly obvious to me when we really started talking about it.
> > For
> >> example has anyone on psubs actually done a smoke in cabin drill
> > from
> >> operational depth? I think if you do you will be shocked. Trying
> > to
> >> don a BIBS and mask, ensure passengers get their BIBS and mask
> > donned,
> >> locate the issue, isolate the issue, get the submarine on it's
> > way up,
> >> communicate with the surface, on the way up (which is probably
> > at a
> >> full blow), slow the accent, vent the cabin from the BIBS at a
> > slow
> >> rate so you don't blow a viewport or blow the hatch dogs and
> > flood the
> >> submarine at 10 to 30 feet likely drowning everyone. Now that
> > you have
> >> done this with a drill add the stress level and I think you will
> > see
> >> why it is unacceptable. I know there was a comment on a hour of
> > BIBS
> >> usage only brought up the p!
> >> ressure about 15psi. I would challenge you to do the calcs to
> > see at
> >> what pressure a viewport or the hatch fails from internal
> > pressure. I
> >> think again you will be shocked.
> >>
> >> I have learned a lot in my career with submarines and I know
> > psubs is
> >> committed to safety above all other and I would love to help
> > make it
> >> safer. This is the reason why I am pushing this so hard and
> > sharing
> >> the discount. If you take nothing else from this e-mail, then I
> > urge
> >> everyone to actually run their emergency plans under controlled
> >> circumstances then evaluate afterwards and ask, "with the stress
> > level
> >> of a real situation, is this a good plan?".
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Scott Waters
> >>
> >> > -------Original Message-------
> >> > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles
> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
> >> > Sent: Aug 23 '17 22:43
> >> >
> >> > Brian,
> >> > I am not an expert on rebreathers but
> >> > in a submarine, could you have a lung with full face mask & 3
> > hoses
> >> > attached to it. One hose pushes on to the submarines O2
> > outlet,
> >> > & the other 2 to your CO2 scrubber inlet & outlet. Manually
> > control
> >> > the volume of the lung or set up some sort of bellows add
> > system!
> >> > In a 1 ton volume submarine you would have over an hour of
> >> breathing
> >> > off a standard regulator & air before you doubled the
> > pressure
> >> inside
> >> > the sub anyway.
> >> > I am installing ptfe insulated wiring on the inside of my sub
> > to
> >> avoid
> >> > any
> >> > fires with that, but you can't guarantee what's in all the
> >> electronics
> >> > you
> >> > put in your sub!
> >> > Alan
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPad
> >> >
> >> > On 24/08/2017, at 3:11 PM, Brian Hughes via
> > Personal_Submersibles
> >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > My friend Tom Rose's $100.00 USD rebreather. Unfortunately,
> > a few
> >> > > years ago he died of a heart attack. Tom was a character.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've been contemplating making something similar out of a
> > piece
> >> of
> >> > > acrylic pipe, like an old style canister light battery
> > holder,
> >> and
> >> > > an MSA mask. Add a stub for O2 addition. Before I got into
> > this
> >> > > psubs hobby I use to build DIY mixed gas rebreathers.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> http://web.archive.org/web/20080420110800/http://www.atlimp.com/pend2.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > Get Outlook for Android
> >> >
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