[PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!

David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Fri Aug 25 11:52:52 EDT 2017


Thanks Scott.

Best Regards,
David Colombo

804 College Ave
Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
(707) 536-1424
www.SeaQuestor.com


On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:35 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> David,
>
> I talked with KISS rebreather and they are going to set up a coupon code
> to get the special pricing. He will get back with me on it here soon. The
> offer will only be good for about a month or so, then the pricing will be
> retail. The delivery time looks like 6 weeks. He is getting me dimensions
> and I will post them on the psubs forum soon.
>
> Thank you,
> Scott Waters
>
> >  -------Original Message-------
> >  From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
> >  Sent: Aug 24 '17 14:16
> >
> >  Hi Scott,
> >  Are you taking orders or deposits for the unit. Any ideas as to the
> >  delivery schedule of the units? Any dimensions and or pictures would
> >  help for placement in the SeaQuestor would be helpful.
> >
> >  Best Regards,
> >  David Colombo
> >
> >  804 College Ave
> >  Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
> >  (707) 536-1424
> >  www.SeaQuestor.com
> >
> >  On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles
> >  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >
> >  > Hank,
> >  >
> >  > I completely understand being so into the project a lot of "what
> >  > if" scenarios are never considered. That is one of the reasons, of
> >  > the 14 people that work on Pisces VI, one of them does nothing but
> >  > safety and writing the operations manual. The Pisces VI used a EBA
> >  > built by Drager called the Oxy-SR 30M. It is basically the same
> >  > thing KISS and Pisces developed except it only lasted 30 minutes,
> >  > did not have the ability to hook up comms, and costs more.
> >  >
> >  > The Pisces VI has a lot more safety devices built into her, most of
> >  > which are over kill for a Psub, but this is an area where I see most
> >  > of the psubs lacking (including my own KW350 "Trustworthy").
> >  >
> >  > Thank you,
> >  > Scott Waters
> >  >
> >  >> -------Original Message-------
> >  >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
> >  > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >  > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
> >  >
> >  >> Sent: Aug 24 '17 05:40
> >  >>
> >  >> Scott,
> >  >> I have to admit that I have not put so much thought into that
> >  >> scenario. I think because I (we) spend so much time and effort
> >  >> installing wiring with fuses and breakers that I have a false
> >  > sense of
> >  >> security where short circuits are concerned. I am glad you
> >  > brought it
> >  >> up and I am sure in the future you will be pointing out more
> >  > risk
> >  >> assessments. We are lucky to have you with us.
> >  >> What did Pisces VI have originally?
> >  >> Hank
> >  >>
> >  >> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 11:22:46 PM MDT, via
> >  >> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> I guess I should mention some other reasons why this unit is
> >  > worth it
> >  >> *It has a 3hr breath time
> >  >> *It can be hooked up to u/w comms to keep communications with
> >  > the
> >  >> surface while still breathing safe air
> >  >> *It is compact (unlike the BioMarine units that a lot of
> >  > submarines
> >  >> use for their EBAs)
> >  >> *Fully enclosed mask which makes donning way faster than a reg
> >  > and
> >  >> mask that most BIBS use
> >  >> *All parts are professionally built to the KISS standard. (If
> >  > you have
> >  >> ever dove a KISS rebreather you will know what I mean
> >  >>
> >  >> Probably one of the most important things I learned at my month
> >  > at sea
> >  >> with Woods Hole and the DSV Alvin is the importance of actually
> >  >> running realistic drills of emergency situations. This was made
> >  >> bluntly obvious to me when we really started talking about it.
> >  > For
> >  >> example has anyone on psubs actually done a smoke in cabin drill
> >  > from
> >  >> operational depth? I think if you do you will be shocked. Trying
> >  > to
> >  >> don a BIBS and mask, ensure passengers get their BIBS and mask
> >  > donned,
> >  >> locate the issue, isolate the issue, get the submarine on it's
> >  > way up,
> >  >> communicate with the surface, on the way up (which is probably
> >  > at a
> >  >> full blow), slow the accent, vent the cabin from the BIBS at a
> >  > slow
> >  >> rate so you don't blow a viewport or blow the hatch dogs and
> >  > flood the
> >  >> submarine at 10 to 30 feet likely drowning everyone. Now that
> >  > you have
> >  >> done this with a drill add the stress level and I think you will
> >  > see
> >  >> why it is unacceptable. I know there was a comment on a hour of
> >  > BIBS
> >  >> usage only brought up the p!
> >  >> ressure about 15psi. I would challenge you to do the calcs to
> >  > see at
> >  >> what pressure a viewport or the hatch fails from internal
> >  > pressure. I
> >  >> think again you will be shocked.
> >  >>
> >  >> I have learned a lot in my career with submarines and I know
> >  > psubs is
> >  >> committed to safety above all other and I would love to help
> >  > make it
> >  >> safer. This is the reason why I am pushing this so hard and
> >  > sharing
> >  >> the discount. If you take nothing else from this e-mail, then I
> >  > urge
> >  >> everyone to actually run their emergency plans under controlled
> >  >> circumstances then evaluate afterwards and ask, "with the stress
> >  > level
> >  >> of a real situation, is this a good plan?".
> >  >>
> >  >> Thank you,
> >  >> Scott Waters
> >  >>
> >  >> > -------Original Message-------
> >  >> > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles
> >  >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  >> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> >  >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  >> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] EBA!!!
> >  >> > Sent: Aug 23 '17 22:43
> >  >> >
> >  >> > Brian,
> >  >> > I am not an expert on rebreathers but
> >  >> > in a submarine, could you have a lung with full face mask & 3
> >  > hoses
> >  >> > attached to it. One hose pushes on to the submarines O2
> >  > outlet,
> >  >> > & the other 2 to your CO2 scrubber inlet & outlet. Manually
> >  > control
> >  >> > the volume of the lung or set up some sort of bellows add
> >  > system!
> >  >> > In a 1 ton volume submarine you would have over an hour of
> >  >> breathing
> >  >> > off a standard regulator & air before you doubled the
> >  > pressure
> >  >> inside
> >  >> > the sub anyway.
> >  >> > I am installing ptfe insulated wiring on the inside of my sub
> >  > to
> >  >> avoid
> >  >> > any
> >  >> > fires with that, but you can't guarantee what's in all the
> >  >> electronics
> >  >> > you
> >  >> > put in your sub!
> >  >> > Alan
> >  >> >
> >  >> > Sent from my iPad
> >  >> >
> >  >> > On 24/08/2017, at 3:11 PM, Brian Hughes via
> >  > Personal_Submersibles
> >  >> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >  >> >
> >  >> > > My friend Tom Rose's $100.00 USD rebreather. Unfortunately,
> >  > a few
> >  >> > > years ago he died of a heart attack. Tom was a character.
> >  >> > >
> >  >> > > I've been contemplating making something similar out of a
> >  > piece
> >  >> of
> >  >> > > acrylic pipe, like an old style canister light battery
> >  > holder,
> >  >> and
> >  >> > > an MSA mask. Add a stub for O2 addition. Before I got into
> >  > this
> >  >> > > psubs hobby I use to build DIY mixed gas rebreathers.
> >  >> > >
> >  >> > >
> >  >> >
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  http://web.archive.org/web/20080420110800/http://www.
> atlimp.com/pend2.htm
> >  >> > >
> >  >> > > Get Outlook for Android
> >  >> >
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