[PSUBS-MAILIST] Ethical obligation to inform

[Alan via Personal_Submersibles]

Jon, 
they may be shooting themselves in the foot if they want a demarcation
between certified & non certified. I wonder how many people that buy certified
submersibles would bother keeping up the certification. It may be relevant if
they were operating commercially & diving every day, but going through a
certification process every year when you aren't using the vessel frequently
would be a waste of time & money. If I had a G.L. certified sub in N.Z. I would
probably have to fly an inspector out from Germany!
Hopefully we will have an input in this process & opportunity to debate proposals
before they become law!
Cheers Alan 

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> On 18/07/2017, at 11:55 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Good point regarding the taxi comparison.  However, regarding commercial fabricators, the issue is not to differentiate between commercial and non-commercial use, but rather certified vs home-built submarines for private use.  An overlap in the "personal" or "private" submarine category exists because commercial fabricators do have a market to supply rich people a submarine "toy" for their own personal use.  What we are seeing, I believe, is a desire from some commercial fabricators to differentiate, in as obvious way as possible, their certified vessel from a home-built vessel to protect their business from any public misconception about "personal" submarines that might result from an accident involving a home-built.  What's the easiest and most obvious way to do that?  Diminish the perceived quality and/or reliability of non-certified home-built submarines by slapping a label on them such as "experimental".
> 
> As you illustrated with your taxi and private surface boat examples, it would be much better from our perspective if certified submarines were identified in some manner such as having a sticker from the certifying authority, or "CERTIFIED" emblazoned upon their hull, if they really believe demarcation is necessary to protect their business.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
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>> On 7/17/2017 4:55 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
>> Thanks for searching that out Jon,
>> if they require a differentiation between commercial & non commercial
>> submersibles then the onus should be on the commercial vehicles to
>> mark their submersibles. ie. cars don't have "private vehicle" emblazoned
>> on them, but taxis have "taxi" written on them. Would a surface boat under
>> 20ft be required to have non commercial vessel written on it? I doubt it.
>>    I remember hearing that the MTS didn't include submersibles originally
>> & it was the submarine people that wanted in.  From what I have seen of
>> Will Kohnen's submersibles, they are a rich persons toy rather than a commercial
>> vehicle; so his interests would lie in limiting any rules for personal submersibles.
>> Regards Alan
> 
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