[PSUBS-MAILIST] Ethical obligation to inform

Tue Jul 25 20:34:40 EDT 2017

Steve,Good point!  No sailboats to speak of here, or maybe there are and I could not hear them ;-)Hank

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 8:25:41 PM EDT, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Hi Hank,The trouble with stopping and listening is you don't hear yachts...  We have to be very careful of them when SCUBA diving in Melbourne for this reason, and also because they are used to having absolute right of way and are even less likely to take notice of a buoy or dive flag than jetskis.  I have had a whole fleet of racing yachts sail right over divers in the water, despite our dive flag, yelling, and almost point-blank ramming with the dive boat.
Cheers,Steve
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:08 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

Brian,If you can stop short of the surface and sit and listen, you can hear boats from quite far away.  I have experienced this, I actually though a boat was very close to me and I was worried about surfacing.  It turned out the boat was very far away.Hank

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 8:03:02 PM EDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:

Jon,              That makes sense.  I think another calculation that would be helpful would be a jet ski or a power boat traveling at 40 mph at the location of a surfacing sub.  At 40 mph you are traveling 58.66 ft/sec,  it is generally accepted that a person's reaction time is about 1.5 seconds.  If that were the case then once the surfacing sub is noticed at it's critical time in which to react would be approx. 87.99 feet.  And that would mean JUST in time to avoid, if it were a boat and maybe somebody's not paying attention it could be a close call indeed .  Better to hit a flashing light than cold hard steel !   So the length of your warning pole ( and your rate of surfacing) could buy that annoying jet ski rider a couple of extra seconds to react.  Brian    

--- personal_submersibles at psubs. org wrote:

From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs. org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ethical obligation to inform
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 01:07:26 -0400

 Hi Brian,

 It looks to me that Rule 24(g)(i) of USCG Navigation Rules would apply to submersibles.  See https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/? pageName=navRulesContent

 The rule is that the light must be seen from a distance of at least 3 miles.  So height would be determined by line-of-sight between you and whatever vessel might be around to observe you.  The higher the target vessel observation deck, the lower your light needs to be.  Assuming the target is a kayak with passenger eyeball height at 3-feet (sitting position), you would need your light to be one-foot high above the water.  Depending upon the buoyancy of your submarine you may not need a mast at all.  See http://www.calculatoredge.com/ electronics/lineofsight.htm

 Jon

 On 7/23/2017 12:19 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote:

   The guy I was talking to said the Coast Guard wanted the pole 16 feet high !   I think that is a bit much 10 feet would be about the max I can see, other wise it would be hard to stabilize .      

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