[PSUBS-MAILIST] Motors filled with OIL

Mon Jan 8 14:11:11 EST 2018

Tarek,
I built a very small dry ambient submarine using inexpensive Chinese
electric trolling motors. I air compensated the motors & hull using
slightly modified octopus regulators.
The motors for my next submersible will be oil compensated.
My project is under ambient & Alan James on the psub projects page.
Let me know if you need any more help.
Regards Alan

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> On 8/01/2018, at 11:53 PM, Tarek Harb via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> I am building a Dry Ambient Submarine and I been having trouble finding a
> suitable Motors for it, as I don't want to spend 1000s of $ on each motor.
> I am sure that the topic has been brought up many times before, but I would
> like to enquire about the best Trolling Motor
> that can be filled with OIL in order to withstand 40 meters Depth of Water.
> 
> 
> 
> Appreciate any help in this matter.
> 
> Tarek
> 
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>   1. Re: batteries (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles)
>   2. new gears (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles)
>   3. Re: new gears (irox via Personal_Submersibles)
>   4. Re: new gears (Alan via Personal_Submersibles)
>   5. Re: new gears (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles)
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> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:34:36 +0000
> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles
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> Hi Rick,
> 
> Yes, the standard Min kota controller has reverse.  Its just a potentiometer
> on a knob.
> 
> I went for 24v min kota rip tide 80's.  Wish I had gone for the 101's to be
> honest.
> 
> I have the aft thruster rigged with the controller at the side of the seat,
> so I set the power and trundle off.  I tend to use the aft thruster for
> surface driving or slow seabed cruising, so its ok where it is.  Then I use
> the side thrusters while submerged for manouvering.
> 
> Works ok for me.
> 
> The pots on the controllers are on a ribbon cable.  I didn't dare cut them
> to extend to anything more useful, although I suspect it would work.
> 
> To be honest, that's why I changed the side thrusters to simple on\off
> relays.  The pots were to complicated to move.
> 
> Got a couple of links here on my site.
> regards
> James
> 
> This was how I had it originally.  Was awkward to use side thrusters.
> 
> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page19613.htm
> 
> Main power panel.
> 
> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page19348.htm
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On 31/10/2017, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> James,
>> 
>> I didn't realize that the Minn-Kota controllers had a reverse setting?
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:39 AM, James Frankland via 
>> Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have continuous duty ones at a suitable current rating.  Cant 
>>> remember off hand.  But I don't have the reversing because I can 
>>> rotate the side motors for reverse.  So I just have 1 relay per motor.
>>> Super simple.
>>> 
>>> Also have the standard minn kota controller on the rear thruster.
>>> which allows reverse and speed control.  All 3 items all fit into one 
>>> box with a cooling fan for good measure.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, cant recommend anything other than the simple setup I have.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 October 2017 at 11:55, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles 
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi James,
>>>> I am using continues duty relays and it takes 4 relays per motor.  
>>>> On my vertical thrusters I am using reversing relays (single relay)  
>>>> but they
>>> are
>>>> not continues duty, witch is okay.  I want to simplify by using 
>>>> reversing relays (continuous duty) on the main motors.  I thought 
>>>> maybe you already have that and could recommend what works.
>>>> Hank
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 5:14:50 AM MDT, James Frankland via 
>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Hank,
>>>> 
>>>> I cant remember off the top of my head now.  I just had a quick 
>>>> search and I cant find them.  They are just standard high current 
>>>> 24v pots of some sort.
>>>> 
>>>> I seem to remember they were similar to yours.  Or some that you 
>>>> had
>>> used.
>>>> 
>>>> James
>>>> 
>>>> On 31 October 2017 at 10:25, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles 
>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>> What type of relays are you using?
>>>>> Hank
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 3:10:27 AM MDT, James Frankland via 
>>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi rick,
>>>>> I'm here.  What do you want to know?  I'm using minn Kota rip tide 
>>>>> 80's
>>> at
>>>>> 24v.  2x banks of 4 agm's. These are wired in 2 pairs of batteries 
>>>>> in series with both pairs connected to the main terminals.  I have 
>>>>> a standard
>>> heavy
>>>>> switch so I can use each bank separately or both together.  I used 
>>>>> heavy tinned marine cable.  Can't remember the thickness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I find my motors a little underpowered, but other than that it 
>>>>> seems
>>> fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aft thruster has the minn Kota controller, I originally had those 
>>>>> on the sides but found it a pain, so I changed those to have just 
>>>>> on/off
>>> relays.
>>>>> Much better.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> James
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, 30 October 2017, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles 
>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> Yes there are 2 separate pods each containing 4 each 12v batteries 
>>>>> , 3
>>> for
>>>>> the 36v for thrusters & 1 for the onboard systems.
>>>>> DAN H built his per plans and specs and is running his stern 
>>>>> thruster
>>> off
>>>>> one side & and sides off the other side but he is not running
>>> Minn-Kotas.
>>>>> I am hopping James Franklin will chime in as he is using the 
>>>>> Minn-Kotas
>>> in
>>>>> his.
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:13 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles 
>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick,
>>>>> I am not familiar with the k350 battery set up, but are there two 
>>>>> battery pods with 3 x 12V batteries in each pod?
>>>>> What are the other k350 owners doing? Do they run the 3 thrusters 
>>>>> off the 2 battery pods similtaneously i.e. connect both pods in
>>> parallel.
>>>>> If you did this then you would only be drawing half the amps off 
>>>>> each battery pod, than you would be if you were using one.
>>>>> I wonder what traction batteries mobility scooters use?
>>>>> Cheers Alan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29/10/2017, at 9:27 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles 
>>>>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am trying to size my wire for the 36v side from where the power 
>>>>>> comes into the sub to selector switch to hot buss bar and was 
>>>>>> wondering if
>>> that
>>>>>> was something that someone could answer. Also I was told by 
>>>>>> Minn-Kota that they recommend group 27 marine batteries.
>>>>>> I have a couple of deep cycle (marine batteries) on my boat and 
>>>>>> they
>>> are
>>>>>> 550 cca and 125 amps reserve capacity.
>>>>>> My plan is to run all three Minn-kota thrusters off of one side 
>>>>>> at a
>>> time
>>>>>> and their max draw is 46 amps max so there is 138 amps if all 
>>>>>> three thrusters are wide open. I doubt I would ever have all 
>>>>>> three maxed for more than short spurts but want to be repaired 
>>>>>> for the worst case scenario like if I am bucking a strong 
>>>>>> current.
>>>>>> I also will be running 6 outside LED lights off the same bank and
>>> though
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can dim them and selectively use them, all on at max would be 
>>>>>> about a
>>>>>> 16.6
>>>>>> amp draw as well. Now most of the time I will be using the 
>>>>>> thrusters at minimal draw and not all 3 at the same time and the 
>>>>>> 6 lights will probably never all be on at the same time.
>>>>>> If everything was wide open, I would be pulling about 155 amps 
>>>>>> from a bank that has a reserve capacity of 125 so it would 
>>>>>> deplete the bank rather fast and may even damage the batteries 
>>>>>> due to a quick drain? So,,, first question...would 2 OTT wire be 
>>>>>> sufficient from battery source to bus
>>> bar
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> long as I am not running full tilt on everythig and second... 
>>>>>> since I have to stick with a lead acid system due to design, can 
>>>>>> I get a group 27 battery that can deliver much more than the 125 
>>>>>> amps I have on my boat?
>>>>>> I also have the option of putting the battery selector switch on 
>>>>>> both banks if I have to but would rather deplete one bank at a 
>>>>>> time if can.
>>>>>> Comments appreciated.
>>>>>> Rick
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:30:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new gears
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> Hi Ian,The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! ?I had no
> idea the fine detail capability. ?The timing is perfect also, as I have just
> finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete the connection. ?I
> might have it put together today for a test.Thank you againHank
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> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Well done Ian.
> I have posted this before. It is of 3d propeller testing done here in
> Auckland.
> Their preference in the end was polycarbonate!
> 
> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160302-wooden-3d-printed-boat-prop-makers-pu
> t-filaments-to-the-test-with-surprising-results.html
> Cheers Alan
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 3/11/2017, at 8:06 AM, irox via Personal_Submersibles
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Great!  Glad they got there safely.
>> 
>> Let me know if they work.  If so I'll print up a slightly higher quality
> set (probably a couple, for spares and destructive testing).  I'll also look
> into printing a set in nylon.
>> 
>> You're most welcome.  Thanks for all the videos.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Ian.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>> Sent: Nov 2, 2017 11:30 AM
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new gears
>> 
>> Hi Ian,
>> The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing!  I had no idea
> the fine detail capability.  The timing is perfect also, as I have just
> finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete the connection.  I
> might have it put together today for a test.
>> Thank you again
>> Hank
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> To: irox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Ian,The gears seem pretty tough, and I am sure they will stand up due ?to
> the thickness. ?They machine nicely also, I was worried when I put the gear
> in the lathe chuck, but is was fine. ?I machined the bore out so it would
> slide nicely. ?Pitty I don't have the wrist drive motor yet ;-( ?Hank
>    On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 1:06:29 PM MDT, irox via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:  
> 
> #yiv3031387229 #yiv3031387229 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv3031387229 Great!?
> Glad they got there safely.
> 
> Let me know if they work.? If so I'll print up a slightly higher quality set
> (probably a couple, for spares and destructive testing).? I'll also look
> into printing a set in nylon.
> 
> You're most welcome.? Thanks for all the videos.
> 
> Cheers!
> ?Ian.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
> Sent: Nov 2, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new gears
> 
> Hi Ian,The gears you made for me arrived, and they are amazing! ?I had no
> idea the fine detail capability. ?The timing is perfect also, as I have just
> finished the gripper and need the wrist gears to complete the connection. ?I
> might have it put together today for a test.Thank you againHank
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