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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] manned torpedo



Thanks for that info Jay.
 
It would be interesting to find out exactly how and why slowing your decent on a bounce dive aids in on forming of micro bubbles.
I'd like to know this one.
Bill Akins.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] manned torpedo

Bill,

I don?t know the exact reasoning why it works but anecdotal evidence from the Woodhill Karst Plain Project (WKPP) deep, long dives, other major arduous diving projects, and discussions with Dr. Bill Hamilton support this conclusion.  Can?t remember exactly but believe that there has been some formal research also where divers were monitored ultrasonically for bubble formation.  While this doesn?t necessarily conform to our historical models for decompression, the tech diving community has definitely pointed out that our Haldanian approach to deco is wrong.  Slower descent, deeper stops, and the use of O2 over the last 15 years has drastically cut the amount of deco required and lowered the incidence of deco hits.

 

The micro-bubble release on subsequent dives (not only bounce dives) was noted by the oil companies while conducting saturation diving research but wasn?t really released to the public until the early 80s.  It took into the early-90s for it to become common knowledge in the tech diving community.

R/Jay

 


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Akins
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:08 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] manned torpedo

 

Hi Jay.

 

That did indeed answer my original questions, and excellently so. Thank you very much.

I do have a few dive questions about number 2 that you listed. You said....."Bounce dives to deeper depths are an animal unto themselves. 

Recent experiences in the tech diving world points out that a slower descent is more advantageous for the subsequent decompression regime

followed during ascent (note that all dives are decompression dives as our ascent rate on supposed no-deco dives is there to allow elimination of absorbed gases). 

Additionally, it has been shown through laboratory hyperbaric experimentation that a bounce dive after a previous dive should be avoided as the rapid pressurization

and depressurization causes a large quantity of micro-bubbles to be released and this is very undesirable."

 

I am curious how descending more slowly would be more advantageous for the subsequent decompression regime that as you pointed out is done on all non deco

dives by our ascent rate? I don't understand how this can be. If you decend more slowly you have more time for nitrogen to saturate your tissues, so how would

decending more slowly and therefore having more time for nitrogen to saturate your tissues, be advantageous in any way for your decompression regime on ascent?

Wouldn't this mean your bounce dive would become a more saturated dive and therefore possibly need more deco time which is exactly what you were trying to avoid

by doing the "bounce" dive in the first place?

I do know that a bounce dive after a previous dive without total and complete offgassing is not a good idea for the micro bubble reasons you stated.

 

Bill Akins.