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A correction to my earlier post regarding cost, the quote from the article was as follows.


"Building the small subs takes very little money, Smyth said. He paid less than $10,000 for Snoopy, though he said the subs are typically built, not bought.

?The cost of materials is about $15,000,? he said, noting that the larger subs can cost millions. ?It?s mostly all labor.?

So, $15K / 2250 lbs = $6.66 / lb

That seems right on target, a K250 @ $15k, and a K350 @ approx $23 - $25 K built in your garage.

Anyone else with any input here regarding "real" costs?

Joe



From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:36:05 +0000

Hi Mike,

I find it interesting to see someone going through precisely the same "evolution" track that I took in the beginning. It was the idea of a "Nautilus" replica, (same dimensions), that sparked my interest as well. Eventually developing into a (shrinking) military ambient replica, then the acquisition of the K350 plans, and has now morphed into a serious course of study in Naval Architecture, CAD, and Yacht Design. A bit over the top perhaps for most but, such is how one is inspired to pursue one's interests.

I'll take several of your postings and post a comment below them since this is such a familiar road for me, that I can not help but respond. However, please do not take offense to my pointing out several realities that cannot be circumvented.


?	"Depth: 500 ft"
?	Size: 35ft
?	Weight: 5 tons
?	Number of People: 2-3

Nautilus cannot be built as a viable 1ATM design without the use of a double hull. (Cylindrical pressure hull, free flooding decorative decagon shape external is what would be required). Ala Pat Regan, out there in Hawaii.

?	Cost Limit: $35,000.00 (1000/ft?)
?	Material: Aluminum

There is a rule of thumb in cost estimation for vessels where $4 to $6 per pound of displacement is what can be expected. Alec Smyth, an experienced sub builder / pilot, was just quoted in an article at approx $10K for a K250, which weighs in I believe, at 2,250 lbs, so this works out to $4.44 lb. Marine Aluminum is outrageously priced, easily triple your quoted figure.

Hope to be of help, and best of luck to you.

Joe





From: "mike hardin" <michaelphardin@gmail.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:34:14 -0400

I've been reading through the FAQ page and wanted to run my dream
project by the group to consider the feasiblity of the project.

Thanks, Mike

Disney Nautilus Project

?	ATM 1
?	Dry
?	Depth: 500 ft
?	Distance:?
?	Size: 35ft
?	Submerged Duration: 24 hours
?	Weight: 5 tons
?	Number of People: 2-3
?	Primary Tasks: Photography, Recreation
?	Air Quality: CO2 Scrubbing
?	Safety Features: ?
?	Communications: ?
?	Power: Diesel (on surface)/Electric (submerged)
?	Material: Aluminum
?	Skill Sets Needed: Welding, Metal Cutting, Math, Drafting, Diving?
(Everything)
?	Cost Limit: $35,000.00 (1000/ft?)
?	Time Limit: 25 Years
?	Maintenance: When needed




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