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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Compressable ballast tanks



Hi Bill....
Forget the scuba tank but use the idea....it works great for a hard ballast system....take a tube out side the pressure vessel and put a free floating piston inside the tube....pump oil into the tube and it will move the piston.  this creates a volume change in regards to the pressure vessel and is infinitely adjustable..the ambient water pressure will push the piston back to negative buoyancy by displacing the oil back into the reservoir inside the pressure vessel when a valve is opened..the pump from any Hyd. jack off a Kmart shelf will do the trick...Maybe I don't understand what your trying to acomplish with the scuba tank thing.......Dave...

Hugo Marrero <HMarrero@hboi.edu> wrote:
Bill,
 
The changes in buoyancy of a scuba tank is negligible for all practical purposes. Remember... the  K I S S rule...
 
Hugo
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Akins [mailto:lakins1@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:52 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Compressable ballast tanks

Hi fellas.
 
I was thinking about the variation in buoyancy in my aluminum scuba tanks. You know when your tank starts to get low on air how
 
it becomes more buoyant. A thought struck me about how that might be counteracted that then led to another thought concerning
 
ballast tanks for a sub. With the scuba tank, I was thinking, what if it had a bottom that moved up and down the length of the tank
 
like a piston in an engine. As the tank emptied from my breathing, the bottom of the tank would be forced toward the top of the tank
 
by the water pressure until the remaining pressure in the tank stopped it from moving. In this way the rest of the tank volume would
 
now be replaced by water and the tank wouldn't get more buoyant as it emptied. Of course you would have to have a very good
 
foolproof seal. Even perhaps a seal that the tank's internal air pressure would push against to make the seal tightly seal. I wonder
 
if anyone has ever tried making something like that? That was my first idea. Then that thought made me think about this. On my wetsub
 
I've been planning to install 6 or 8 inch pipe about 4 feet long on either side for my soft ballast tanks. I had planned to use two scuba tanks
 
to blow them and the scuba tanks would each be attached to the top of the pipes on either side of the sub providing plenty of air for both
 
the soft ballast pipes and also for the hard ballast bladders in the bow and stern. What I was thinking about was if I could use the same idea
 
as with the scuba tank moving bottom on my soft ballast tanks. Suspose I had a piston with a really good seal. Now I'm on the surface
 
with the soft ballast pipes full volume keeping me up, then I could either crank the piston inward or even use hydraulics to
 
push the piston inward. That would compress the air in the soft ballast pipe and lower its volume and I would submerge. Then when I wanted to
 
surface, I could crank the piston out, allowing the air to expand, the volume to increase again, and then I would surface. That way I wouldn't have
 
to use any air tanks to fill my soft ballast tanks. Sounds like it would work to me but I'd have to make the pipe smooth and have a tight fitting
 
piston with a really good seal on it. If the seal ever blew out I could use my hard ballast tanks and my own personal BCD and still get the sub to the
 
surface and I could also always bail out if I had to. Just a thought about the variable volume scuba tank and soft ballast tanks. What do you
 
fellows think?
 
Bill Akins. 


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