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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hull thickness technical help needed



While what you have to say is most likely correct there are reasons why the Navy has not adopted this technology for subs or torpedoes.  I know they keep attempting to find a composite solution but haven’t found something reliable enough to date (unfortunately don’t have access to the research papers).

 

Received the current issue of Professional Boatbuilder today and one of the articles discuss FRP issues, one of which is osmotic absorption of water through the hull material so the weeping issue is not resolved.

 

A pipe to carry liquids or other materials has a whole lot less safety issues as compared to a pressure vessel that is rated for human occupation…even if it carrying hazardous materials.  A pipe can be designed to contain pressures by orientation of fibers where as a vessel subject to external pressure is subject to buckling where fiber orientation is not as effective.  While the soda bottle is simplistic in nature, it captures the essence of the issue.

R/Jay

 

Respectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
  -
Aristotle

 

 

 

 


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of DrewBane1@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:24 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hull thickness technical help needed

 

Hate to be a heart breaker but might be onto the information im looking for. Been talking to the engineers at work and one of which has a clue as to where i might find the design specs

on a vacuum chamber they designed a few years back and the technical info to be able to calculate hull thickness. As far as repairing frp and weeping hulls, this sounds more like a poor construction using old polyester resins not the epoxy vinyl ester that is commonly used on todays pressure vessels.  OK here is some insight on frp pipe, 24" dia. 3/4" wall frp pipe is rated for 100 psi internal pressure, test pressure is 150 psi, max test pressure is 225 psi.

There is a 10 x's safety margin on the pipe pressure and DOW claims their resins achieve a 16 x's safety margin and yes they do take into consideration constant pulsing and hammering of the pipe as well as temps of 180' and chemicals that would eat your steel subs alive. (no offense to steel lovers)  For those that think frp will give them greater styling advantages, this is only true for ambient subs  shape will still play an important role on a 1 ATM  sub in frp. When i get the information for calculating thickness for a vacuum chamber I will share it freely with those that love composites.....