[PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo

swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Tue Jan 6 13:36:54 EST 2015


That might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come up.
Thanks,
Scott Waters


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Scott,
I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain.  The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end.  One end opens as the hatch.  My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT.  It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. 
Hank  --------------------------------------------
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Scott,
Did he say where and how deep?
Hank--------------------------------------------
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
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  Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM
  
  An
  update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep
water
  after a insurance claim some time
  ago. Thanks,Scott
  Waters
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
  
  It would surely be nice to find
  Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old
  time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually
  certain that those particular hull(s) were built of
  A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of
the
  boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones
without
  cyrillic operating manuals).
  
  
  
  
  I don't remember how thick the steel
  was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus,
  the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that
  thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for
two
  (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture
  window in the front.
  
  
  
  
  
  If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last
  P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them
  out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
  stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by
  comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly,
it
  all fell apart before we could really show her
  off.
  
  
  
  
  
  We did all the deepwater pilot training
  in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These
  days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and
  propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for
  2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option,
  Scott?
  
  
  
  
  
  No fancy steel. Huge
  viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot
  sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle
  Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to
  support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could
  probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons.
  
  
  
  
  
  Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh
  that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight
  compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more
agile,
  easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be
  better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my
neck
  of the woods.
  
  
  
  
  Vance
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same
  problems of the material and building of the personel
  sphere.
  
  Scott Waters
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles  
  
  Date:01/05/2015  8:44 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
  
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal
  subbers!!
  
  
   
  
  
  Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs 
  . .We (Nuytco) have 
  four Hyco boats – 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are
in
  Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii 
  Underwater Research Lab) – they are out of service,
  currently and may be sold 
  off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because
Terry
  Kerby and his crew 
  rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are
  two Pisces boats in 
  Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually
,
  outside a museum). 
  Pisces –1, is in the UK, last seen, it  was in parts.
  Likewise, P-6  
  is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of
  IUC’s vessel ‘Aloha’) 
  and what’s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut
a
  deal with my old 
  friend  Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to
  have first dibs on 
  buying P-6 to go into the ‘working sub’ Hyco/Pisces
  display section at our 
  long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving technology
  museum. His sons, Lionel 
  and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre’s wishes 
  and we will arrange 
  shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better.
  Would appreciate it if 
  you would steer clear of this one – we do plan to
rebuild
  to the same condition 
  as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .
  ‘Leo’ – I heard some years 
  ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what
  ultimately happened to 
  it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able
to
  use from the P-boats 
  now is the personnel sphere – you’d probably be better
  off building one from 
  scratch if you want a thousand feet or less – after the
  first thou, the spheres 
  get much more expensive.
  
  
  Reagards
  
  
  Phil
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
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  Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  Scott Waters
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
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  Date:01/05/2015 6:34 
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  Subject: Re: 
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  International Underwater 
  Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of
THE
  deep diving 
  construction companies in the world. No idea what's
  happened up there in the 
  last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He
  knew/knows all those 
  guys. 
  
  Vance
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Vance,
  
  
  Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
  probably know this. Haha. 
  I figure it's worth at least trying.
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  Scott Waters
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
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  Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) 
  
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
  
  
  
  Anything is possible, Scott. 
  SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an
opportunity.
  Or at least they'll 
  try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I
  don't think they'll respect 
  anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying
  around. I've never asked. 
  You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable.
  There are four pressure 
  vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft
  floatation sphere, and the 
  two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the
  fiberglas brow that makes the P 
  boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to
twelve
  tons, depending. 
  Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for
  load capability. The 
  P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was
  fabricated in Jacques 
  Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was
  lap finished, as I 
  understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I
  remember her well. 
  Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into
  a dumpster. That might 
  be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero
  contacts up that way 
  anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for
  you anytime on one of 
  those. 
  
  Vance
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing
  to locate one and 
  maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than
  try to build a 1000m 
  boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome.
  
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  Scott Waters
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
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  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces 
  
  
  
  P-I Scrapped out by 
  Vickers 
  
  P-II Rumored 
  to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed)
  
  
  P-III ?
  
  
  P-IV In Hawaii and
  in service (but stony broke, I hear)
  
  
  P-V 
  Ditto
  
  P-VI 
  IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted
  out
  
  
  P-VII In a Russian
  museum (Sevastopol, I think)
  
  
  P-VIII
  Nuytco
  
  
  P-IX 
  Design
  study for Intersub (4K 
  meters, never built)
  
  P-X Nuytco
  
  
  P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front
  doors, last I 
  saw)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces
  style rated to 2000' 
  which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco
boats
  that I qualified on 
  and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good
  one for me or the 
  owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V
  overhaul in Houston, but 
  I'm not sure that counts except for the busted
  knuckles.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I think the boys at Silvercrest might
  have one of the question 
  marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves
  one unaccounted for. I'm 
  betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note,
if
  you look at the 
  Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces
  boats on steroids. 
  Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and
  operated P-VII and P-XII 
  for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas,
added
  a pile of rubles, 
  and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1
  & Mir 2, by name. 
  The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but
  maintenance heavy. And rest 
  assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled
  a Pisces battery box at 
  sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Vance
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Scott,
  
  
  Hawaii
  undersea research lab on Oahu has two 
  subs.
  
  
  One I know
  is a Pisces & I believe the 
  other is also.
  
  
  I think
  David Columbo has seen them in the 
  last year,
  
  
  he might
  confirm.
  
  
  They told me they were losing 
  funding for operating them
  
  
  as Govt considered rovs were 
  better value for money.
  
  
  Alan
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Subject: 
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  Does
  anyone know what happened to all 
  the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but
  only one or two that 
  are still in operation. I think NOAA has one.
  
  
   
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  Scott
  Waters
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
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