Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] big brother?

In a message dated 11/22/2006 8:45:34 AM Central Standard Time, gslaterp@hotmail.com writes:

I see a lot of talk about seperating PSUBs.Org from liability, but I was wondering... Why not just incorporate as a professional association, require all members to sign a waiver stating they accept full responsability for their safety and the design/operation of their vessel.

Hey guys Dean Ackman here from Duluth Mn. newbee that cant spell

psubs yet.

But my two cents worth on discussions of late.

First from my experience, waivers and such from an organization excluding

them from liability are not worth the paper they are written on.

If psubs were to incorporate and apply standards they still can be held

responsible for these standards. A big no no.

I believe things are just the way they need to be. Just a bunch of

people with the same interest and idea sharing. The get togethers

have to be nothing more than a bunch of people getting together

with no official org.

On the other hand safety precautions are a given at such events.

I was on the local sheriff rescue squad here for years, and I can

Tell you we can not expect real assistance form these types. They

Are not trained in such rescue situations. What every individual

should do is have his own directions on he plans to accomplish

A rescue. And yeah he ough tot keep this info on the surface.

The reality here is everyone is responsible for themselves and it

Is up to them to make emergency plans.

I myself have in mind a releasable float and line that a cable can be

pulled to the surface and attached to some sort of device. Don't even

care if it is tied to a boat and I am pulled to say shallow water were

divers may assist what ever it takes. Every rescue mission is different

and I feel we need to keep the KISS rule in mind in this org.

Not to mention I am not a prejudice person I hate everyone,

BUT EQUALLY. If an individual does not provide for his own

emergency procedures then well he be dead and will not be

able to contaminate the human gene pool. I know cold sob

What I would like to see is a few of the gurus in this area

volunteer (at the builders expense) when asked make a

trip to give advice and informally look at construction and

design before any serious problems may occur. Drawings and

such are great, but nothin like givin the tires a kick.

a newbee

Dean Ackman