If what you want is someone to take you by the hand and describe to you step by step how to build your own sub then you won't find that in this group.
True, but what if we all try to change all that, what about
something like this idea....
What if the entire group working together like a design teem would,
in a orderly way, was to go through and design a small personal dry sub,
let's say similar to my Yel-o-Sub and or a Kittredge sub. Using low cost
and off the shelf technology as much as we can so as to make it a truly
personally affordable sub. Then as we work out the details right down to
dimensions, we build the sub virtually on a web site showing all the drawings,
prints, and calculations that go along with it. Also list the sources of
the materials and parts chosen. Also list the sources of the engineering
data and formulas. That way every one can check each others work for accuracy.
Then by the time we get it done we would have a complete set of plans,
made, checked and reviewer by the group. Now that would answer allot of
questions wouldn't it. Now that would be a P-SUB! Any body interested in
helping me out in doing something like this? I know already that a couple
of you are. I would have no problem with handling the web site part of
it and kind of help guide or organize the effort. I'm willing anyway. I
have a list of questions in mind to get us started. If we try something
like this I think we should lay it out over about a 1 year, maybe more
or less depending on how it goes, JUST NOT 20 YEARS. Maybe we should set
up a schedule, something like,... Overall general spec.'s now, then Hull
design this month and viewports the next etc. and so on down the list of
major components. Some things we just need to go back and dig up from the
past discussions.
I know this would be fun to say the least. And if anybody builds and
tests the resulting design for real, that would be even better. I think
many of us kind of thought, or hoped at least, that this is more like what
we would find here when we first arrived at the P-sub site.
Now I think this approach wouldn't be a bad idea for the wet sub people
in the group to try it also. You just need somebody that likes to get wet
to head it up. Sorry I like to stay dry. So what does everybody think,
should we take action or just talk about it?
Any way, that ought to stir things up, right Al?
Jonathan Shawl
"Alan D. Secor" wrote:
There is one other comment I'd like to make.....I think Ray and Jon
should be commended for putting this news group and web page together.
When I first started surfing the web looking for Psub info I found
little or none. Then came this news group which put people of
common interests together to discuss their interests, then the web page
became what it is today. I believe the web page contains a wealth
of information both from pictures and literature references and it
continues to grow! If nothing else, I found out about the book
"Manned Submersibles" by Busby, from this group, which I think could
be considered the "bible" for any serious Psub'er. I promptly went
out and searched and found my very own copy (it's been long out of
print) and reference it often.If what you want is someone to take you by the hand and describe to
you step by step how to build your own sub then you won't find that
in this group. However, if you want to discuss ideas or get
suggestions for specific problems, then I think you won't find any
resource on the net that is better than this group (unless you are
willing to pay for it). True, we go off on a tangent once in a
while, beat certain horses to death repeatedly, and even get a fork
in our eye. We get the occasional crackpot in here who likes to stir
things up, and we get the occasional malcontent. This is to be expected
in any PUBLIC forum. All in all though I think Psub's is a valuable
resource to beginners, dreamers and old salts alike!Al.... (I promise this is my last speech!)
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Alan D. Secor
e-mail: secor@btv.ibm.com