Re: Design team

[shawl@torchlake.com (Jonathan Shawl)]

Thanks Mike,
You are respondent #1. I will make a separate e-mail folder for all the
important design project related e-mail and make a backup of it on a CD. That
way if this takes off good we will have a unpolluted record of the project
without all the other on going unrelated stuff getting in the way. Later if
someone want's the entire project then we will have it all on one CD. For a
low production and mailing fee.  I hope it will all fit. :-) Plus it will
still be in the P-sub archives for the ones that like to go digging.
I have lots of leftover space on the yel-o-sub site and at home for the
photos and drawings.  I have no problem with making the photos and drawings
in clickable thumbnail size so it won't take forever to look at them. I am
going to wait about a week to see how much other interest there is before we
dig in and start. I think the first thing we need to do is home in on what
the average personal sub would be. Overall size, weight, depth, range,
features, cost, etc. Then we can start a list of major system components and
over time get into the more detailed and smaller component parts.  Basically
outline a P-sub that we could all live with build and afford. Well most of us
at least. Then if you want to spiff up your own P-sub, then you could do
that. But for a group effort I think we should come up with a standard design
with room to  later add the bell's and whistles.
How am I doing ? OK so far? Feed back time...
Jon Shawl

Michael B Holt wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:40:05 -0400 Jonathan Shawl writes:
> >True, but what if we all try to change all that,  what about something
> like
> >this idea....
> >What if the entire group working together like a design teem would, in a
> >orderly way, was to go through and design a small personal dry sub,
> let's
> >say similar to my Yel-o-Sub and or a Kittredge sub. Using low cost and
> >off the shelf technology as much as we can so as to make it a truly
> >personally affordable sub.
>
> Except for the design team part, this is what we're all doing.
>
> >Then as we work out the details right down to
> >dimensions, we build the sub virtually on a web site showing all the
> drawings,
> >prints, and calculations that go along with it. Also list the sources of
> the
> >materials and parts chosen. Also list the sources of the engineering
> data and
> >formulas. That way every one can check each others work for accuracy.
> >Then by the time we get it done we would have a complete set of  plans,
> >made, checked and reviewer by the group. Now that would answer allot of
> >questions wouldn't it. Now that would be a P-SUB!
>
> This sort of thing was in progresss on the multihulls list, before I left
> it
>  about three years ago.   The design of a 100+ foot yacht was in
> progress.
> They'd chosen a basic shape, and the details were being e-mailed back
> and forth between some real experts and some real amateurs.   As far
> as I know, the design was firmed up finally and construction was going
> to be started.
>
> I see no reason why it couldn't be done here.   If nothing else, it would
> be
> a tutorial in design.
>
> >Any body interested in helping
> >me out in doing something like this? I know already that a couple of you
>
> >are. I would have no problem with handling the web site part of it and
> kind
> >of help guide or organize the effort.
>
> I'm in, Jon.
>
> >I'm willing anyway. I have a list of questions
> >in mind to get us started. If we try something like this I think we
> should
> >lay it out over about a 1 year, maybe more or less depending on how it
> goes,
> >JUST NOT 20 YEARS.
>
> Given the ponderous nature of this meduim, I'd say two years is more
> likely.   As a minimum.     (Phil, how long does it take?)
>
> >Maybe we should set up a schedule, something like,...
> >Overall general spec.'s now, then Hull design this month and viewports
> >the next etc. and so on down the list of major components. Some things
> we
> >just need to go back and dig up from the past discussions.
>
> Or perhaps have teams handling one particular aspect of the design.   A
> group to handle the battery specs, one to provide the viewport design,
> some others to decide how it'll all be wired, etc.
>
> >I know this would be fun to say the least. And if anybody builds and
> tests
> >the resulting design for real, that would be even better. I think many
> of us
> >kind of thought, or hoped at least, that this is more like what we would
> >find here when we first arrived at the P-sub site.
>
> Yeah, it would be fun.   And that's what life is all about.
>
> >Now I think this approach wouldn't be a bad idea for the wet sub people
> in
> >the group to try it also. You just need somebody that likes to get wet
> to
> >head it up. Sorry I like to stay dry. So what does everybody think,
> should
> >we take action or just talk about it?
>
> Let's do it.   To have a wet and a dry design in  progress would teach
> each
> camp a lot about the other.
>
> >Any way, that ought to stir things up, right Al?
>
> My life is too quiet anyway.
>
> >Jonathan Shawl
>
> Let's all remember who came up with this idea!
>
> Michael Holt
> --
>
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