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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sean, radar



Sean,

I now understand you definition of a Personal Sub better. But really....... How many Euronauts are out there, and how many are likely to be out there in the future?

Carsten shouldn't be compared to the Wright Brothers because his technology already exists. But you have to admit, Carsten and his project is right up there with Howard Hughes and his Spruce Goose. I am not, for one second, comparing the Euronaut with the Goose itself. I'm sure the Euronaut will see a active life and not sit in moth balls. What I am comparing is the size of the personal undertaking.

If your dabbling in the P-sub world is only as a "design exercise," you may have use for a radar "design." You can design as small or as large a boat as you desire. If your using Auto Cad or something similar, you don't even have additional paper costs in a large sub, six crew members or even more.

In the real world, with real steel and real water, Carsten and his project it far and away an exception to the P-sub sized project. So here it is. I stand corrected.

In the real world of Personal built and owned subs, with the exception of the Euronaut, there is no need for radar on a personal submarine because they aren't far enough off the surface of the water to see farther then you can by eye. The limited funds can be put to better use. And, you SHOULD always have surface craft support.

Dan H.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean T. Stevenson" <cast55@telus.net>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radar


Well Dan, I think it is necessary to point out that, while the vast majority of
us can not afford to undertake large scale projects like the Euronaut, the
defining factor that makes a sub a Psub is not its size, but rather the fact that it is a non-commercial venture undertaken by a hobbyist. That said, there certainly are boats out there which are designed to operate untended, by virtue of having the capabilities normally relegated to surface support - sufficient power, range, endurance, weather handling ability, communications, crew comfort, collision regs compliance, etc. Unless I am mistaken, the Euronaut falls into this category. (I'll leave it to Carsten to comment further). Such a sub would likely be of sufficient size to accomodate outfitting it in accordance with the equipment normally carried on surface vessels - and be capable of supporting a superstructure that can get a radar scanner high enough to be useful. My design is a design exercise only, but it is of a larger vessel with design criteria
including sufficient freeboard to maintain a weather deck large enough to
accomodate an evacuation via stretcher lift (one person lying down, tended by one or two more), and a weight buoyancy statement which will, with all tanks empty, maintain stability with the entire ship's complement (6) on the weather deck in a reasonable sea state - this is in case of fire or other event which necessitates evacuating to the deck, in the surfaced condition. The point being that for most smaller psubs, you're probably right, but there is a place in the
psub universe for vessels designed to cruise on the surface, and in this
context, radar is not a bad idea.

-Sean


Quoting "Dan H." <jmachine@adelphia.net>:

Is RADAR really necessary?

First of all, it's not the smartest thing to operate a P size sub without
some surface support out there with you. If you feel you need radar, that's
the place for it.

Second, a P-sub is way to close to the surface of the water for radar to see very far. Unless there is fog, in which case it's highly unlikely you'd be out there anyway, just a few feet off the surface I can see as far by eye as
a radar can.

There are better places to spend the budgeted money of a P-subber.

Just my opinion,
Dan H.





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